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Welcome to the Arizona Territory Forum, a place for students, researchers, and fans of the Old West to exchange news and views about the leading figures and lesser-known personalities of Arizona's Territorial days, with a particular focus on the outlaws, lawmen, settlers, politicians, explorers, and pioneers who made their mark in Arizona between 1863 and 1912. "There is a history of this land of Arizona, one full of strange stories of all that is horrible, much that is romantic, and not a little that is beautiful...." -- Captain John Gregory Bourke, Century Magazine, 1891.
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Tombstone session at next Western History Asso conference
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p cool,
Fri Jul 4 2:17PM
Re: Tombstone session at next Western History Asso conference
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Tim Fattig,
Sat Jul 5 11:07AM
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Happy 4th of July.......
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randy king,
Fri Jul 4 11:47AM
Bang!
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Sarah Stegall,
Sat Jul 5 3:54PM
Happy 4th of July, everyone! (nm)
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Tim Fattig,
Fri Jul 4 9:48AM
Ditto (nm)
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Nellie K,
Fri Jul 4 3:06PM
Sunday Commerce
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Gary Ledoux,
Thu Jul 3 11:13AM
Today in history - gunfight at the D.C. train station
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Tim Fattig,
Wed Jul 2 4:33PM
Train Station
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T. Yeatman,
Fri Jul 4 6:11PM
Ghost of General Pershing
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T. J. Stiles,
Tue Jul 1 8:05PM
The Presidio was my "home away from home"
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Paul Cool,
Wed Jul 2 5:38PM
A ghost town no longer
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T. J. Stiles,
Wed Jul 2 9:20PM
T. J., please email me.
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Gary Roberts,
Wed Jul 2 6:46AM
Just shoot me an e-mail
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T. J. Stiles,
Wed Jul 2 9:19AM
History lives elsewhere....
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T. Yeatman,
Tue Jul 1 11:53PM
Great story, T.J., thanks for sharing! (nm)
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Tim Fattig,
Tue Jul 1 9:07PM
One more for the road.....
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T. Yeatman,
Wed Jul 2 12:34AM
Wyatt Earp Sale & Wyatt's 160th
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Matsons,
Tue Jul 1 9:17AM
WWA Top 100 Western Films
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Michael F. Blake,
Mon Jun 30 9:50AM
Is # 50 really that good?
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Herbie,
Mon Jun 30 3:13PM
Ain't lists grand?
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olds,
Mon Jun 30 2:47PM
Agreed, for the most part, Bruce.
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Tim Fattig,
Tue Jul 1 12:30AM
As a member of WWA, I was sent the
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sharonc,
Tue Jul 1 8:49AM
I appreciate that kind suggestion, Sharon,
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olds,
Wed Jul 2 3:21PM
Well, back in Cooper's day
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Herbie,
Tue Jul 1 9:36AM
You carry that autobiography
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olds,
Tue Jul 1 3:38AM
Lists
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Kieran,
Wed Jul 2 5:13AM
My problem, Kieran, was less the pretension,
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olds,
Wed Jul 2 10:31AM
Agreed.....
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T. Yeatman,
Sat Jul 5 3:32PM
Dances with Wolves
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Kieran,
Wed Jul 2 11:25AM
I remember the review, Bruce.
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Tim Fattig,
Tue Jul 1 9:04PM
Rewrite those historical movies
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T. J. Stiles,
Fri Jun 27 10:08PM
Someone should rewrite at least
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Herbie,
Mon Jun 30 3:14PM
According to True West Magazine
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Herbie,
Tue Jul 1 3:53PM
I don't know, T. J.
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Gary Roberts,
Sat Jun 28 6:49AM
Gary, you are no fun at all
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T. J. Stiles,
Sat Jun 28 8:58AM
T, J.
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Gary Roberts,
Sat Jun 28 12:05PM
Spaghetti Eastern...
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T. Yeatman,
Sat Jun 28 12:17PM
How did you like...
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Geraldo,
Sat Jun 28 12:57PM
"The Patriot"....
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T. Yeatman,
Fri Jun 27 11:22PM
Excellent points, T.J., but....
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Tim Fattig,
Sat Jun 28 1:04AM
Without presuming to re-make your point
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olds,
Sat Jun 28 9:01AM
Now hold on a mite....
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Allen Barra,
Sun Jun 29 11:56AM
I'm in total sympathy
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olds,
Sun Jun 29 5:33PM
its a tricky question...
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Allen Barra,
Mon Jun 30 9:19PM
It IS a tricky question, but
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olds,
Wed Jul 2 12:59PM
I couldn't have put it better
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T. J. Stiles,
Sun Jun 29 3:19PM
Nagging Problem
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Gary Roberts,
Mon Jun 30 6:24AM
Good points, but...
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T. J. Stiles,
Tue Jul 1 10:23AM
I never saw the film, but.....
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T. Yeatman,
Tue Jul 1 6:52PM
Back atcha
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Gary Roberts,
Tue Jul 1 2:08PM
Couldn't disagree more, Gary.
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olds,
Thu Jul 3 5:43AM
Perhaps less than you think
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Gary Roberts,
Sat Jul 5 11:21AM
I see your point
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T. J. Stiles,
Tue Jul 1 4:09PM
Religion
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T. Yeatman,
Tue Jul 1 7:04PM
Very True
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T. J. Stiles,
Tue Jul 1 8:02PM
That's what a professor of mine
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olds,
Wed Jul 2 12:57PM
Spoken like a true existentialist!
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Jeff Morey,
Thu Jul 3 7:19AM
No question.
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olds,
Thu Jul 3 7:56AM
I'll have to thing about that.....
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Jeff Morey,
Thu Jul 3 8:51AM
My God! I'm turning into Desi Arnaz!
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Jeff Morey,
Thu Jul 3 9:12AM
Better Mr. Arnaz, (nm)
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olds,
Thu Jul 3 1:13PM
Filmmakers do opt for shortcuts
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Herbie,
Mon Jun 30 3:42PM
I'm in complete sympathy, T.J.
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olds,
Sun Jun 29 5:10PM
"What's the nickle for?"
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Herbie,
Mon Jun 30 3:17PM
Your ruminations are remunerative
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T. J. Stiles,
Sun Jun 29 5:45PM
Walker's the Ed Harris film, right?
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olds,
Sun Jun 29 6:24PM
Walker
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T. Yeatman,
Sun Jun 29 7:34PM
That's exactly it, Bruce.
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Tim Fattig,
Sat Jun 28 9:58AM
Henry Cabot beck's writing??
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Allen Barra,
Sun Jun 29 11:58AM
weekly world shnooze
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hcb,
Sun Jun 29 10:44PM
The difference is that...
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Allen Barra,
Mon Jun 30 9:21PM
Allen ck your email
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Nellie K,
Mon Jun 30 9:41PM
Nellie: Got it.
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Allen Barra,
Fri Jul 4 9:38PM
The reasoning behind having Doc kill Ringo....
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Jeff Morey,
Sat Jun 28 10:51AM
Oh boy...
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T. J. Stiles,
Sat Jun 28 9:30AM
I get it too, T.J.
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olds,
Sat Jun 28 10:37AM
"Gettysburg"
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T. Yeatman,
Sat Jun 28 11:43AM
Now you're talking
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T. J. Stiles,
Sat Jun 28 10:46AM
Suffering & Terror on BOOK TV this weekend
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Geraldo,
Thu Jul 3 4:36PM
Gettysburg addendum
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Gary Roberts,
Sat Jun 28 12:20PM
Gettysburg
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T. Yeatman,
Sat Jun 28 6:45PM
"We rob banks"
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Geraldo,
Sat Jun 28 11:42AM
That should have been...
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Geraldo,
Sat Jun 28 11:47AM
First of all, you responded to Ted
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T. J. Stiles,
Sat Jun 28 8:56AM
"The Patriot".......
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T. Yeatman,
Sat Jun 28 3:09AM
The Patriot--and more
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Gary Roberts,
Sat Jun 28 6:58AM
Rev. War films
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T. Yeatman,
Sat Jun 28 12:06PM
"Mud and rags"
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Geraldo,
Sat Jun 28 7:42AM
baths
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hcb,
Sat Jun 28 9:43PM
In listing crimes against humanity,
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olds,
Sun Jun 29 5:08AM
Brando in a bathtub
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Geraldo,
Sun Jun 29 6:26AM
That was really Brando in that tub
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Herbie,
Mon Jun 30 3:44PM
bathtubs
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hcb,
Sun Jun 29 10:48PM
Aha!
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olds,
Mon Jun 30 6:45AM
looking for my dentures
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hcb,
Mon Jun 30 2:21PM
Yes, well, at this point, I believe
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olds,
Mon Jun 30 3:08PM
Self-fixing window in Missouri Breaks
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T. J. Stiles,
Sun Jun 29 3:03PM
Thanks, Jerry.
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olds,
Sun Jun 29 7:22AM
Which noteworthy westerns have still not made it to DVD? (nm)
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Jeff Morey,
Fri Jun 27 8:51AM
Missing movies
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Geraldo,
Fri Jun 27 9:27AM
The Tall T (nm)
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Anne Collier,
Fri Jun 27 11:53AM
Lonely are the Brave (nm)
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Herbie,
Fri Jun 27 10:10AM
LAW AND ORDER (1932) (nm)
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Jeff Morey,
Sat Jun 28 10:55AM
law and order and...
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hcb,
Mon Jun 30 2:38PM
The Grey Fox, The Hanging Tree, Monte Walsh (1970) (nm)
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CNW,
Mon Jun 30 1:51PM
Also Two Rode Together, and Duke's uncut The Alamo (nm)
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CNW,
Mon Jun 30 1:59PM
Streets of Tombstone
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Gary Ledoux,
Thu Jun 26 8:13PM
Re: Streets of Tombstone
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Tim Fattig,
Fri Jun 27 10:16PM
Street Name Origins
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Gary Ledoux,
Sat Jun 28 6:03PM
Charles M. Bruce
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Sonora Tom,
Mon Jun 30 4:40PM
Mystery Solved..thanks (nm)
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Gary Ledoux,
Mon Jun 30 7:33PM
1 more list: Who's the Best Bad Guy in Film?
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Herbie,
Thu Jun 26 5:52PM
One more I almost forgot about
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Kellam MacKenzie,
Sun Jun 29 5:03PM
Try these...
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T. Yeatman,
Fri Jun 27 2:21PM
Three from me
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Kellam MacKenzie,
Fri Jun 27 7:22PM
If we're going to include
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olds,
Sat Jun 28 8:14AM
Agreed!
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Kellam MacKenzie,
Sat Jun 28 2:23PM
My Hall of Fame
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Geraldo,
Fri Jun 27 9:22AM
Re: 1 more list: Who's the Best Bad Guy in Film?
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Sarah Stegall,
Thu Jun 26 10:31PM
My vote goes to.....
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Jeff Morey,
Fri Jun 27 6:58AM
What could be easier?
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olds,
Fri Jun 27 10:14AM
How could I forget?
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olds,
Fri Jun 27 10:37AM
Re: How could I forget?
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Sarah Stegall,
Fri Jun 27 4:51PM
For a non-western, I go with....
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Jeff Morey,
Fri Jun 27 12:24PM
Re: For a non-western, I go with....
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Sarah Stegall,
Fri Jun 27 4:52PM
Non western Richard Widmark
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Anonymous,
Fri Jun 27 2:03PM
I forgot to post my name. (nm)
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Anonymous,
Fri Jun 27 2:04PM
Powers Booth Westerns (nm)
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Anonymous,
Fri Jun 27 2:05PM
Lee Van Cleef hands down! (nm)
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Sonora Tom,
Fri Jun 27 4:48PM
I have to agree..
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Gary Ledoux,
Sat Jun 28 6:09PM
Will you still say that after...
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Mark Dworkin,
Fri Jun 27 8:54PM
Sheriff Bullock rides into DAMAGES
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Tim Fattig,
Thu Jun 26 4:41PM
Re: Sheriff Bullock rides into DAMAGES
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Sarah Stegall,
Thu Jun 26 10:33PM
Please do, Sarah.
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olds,
Fri Jun 27 6:11AM
Olyphant played the bad guy...
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Kellam MacKenzie,
Fri Jun 27 6:48PM
He was also the lead...
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Tim Fattig,
Sat Jun 28 1:08AM
TEC brings mining back to Tombstone
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Tim Fattig,
Tue Jun 24 9:37PM
Those cussin' Victorians
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Tim Fattig,
Tue Jun 24 9:29PM
Time,place,gender,class, and respectability...
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RS,
Thu Jun 26 5:43PM
Well, I'll be damned...
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Herbie,
Wed Jun 25 2:06PM
Wonderful! Until now I could only ...
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Jeff Smith,
Tue Jun 24 10:45PM
I didn't realize they had CB radios back that far!!! (nm)
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Jen,
Wed Jun 25 8:20AM
Shoeless Joe
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Anonymous,
Tue Jun 24 7:35AM
Anonymous is moi (nm)
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Mark Dworkin,
Tue Jun 24 7:35AM
RIP: George Carlin, 71.
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Tim Fattig,
Mon Jun 23 8:24AM
My obit and letter from George ...
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Allen Barra,
Thu Jun 26 1:33PM
Seinfeld on Carlin, from today's NY Times
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Paul Cool,
Tue Jun 24 3:28AM
That's sad. He was one of the best
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Chuck58,
Mon Jun 23 11:13AM
Carlin was actually fairly conservative in some ways
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Paul Cool,
Mon Jun 23 1:48PM
"they're weak soft and squishy" of course (nm)
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Anonymous,
Mon Jun 23 1:49PM
Since we've been talking Westerns lately...
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Tim Fattig,
Sun Jun 22 8:34PM
"New Classics?"
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Herbie,
Mon Jun 23 3:25PM
I think the word 'arbitrary' fits that list
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Chuck58,
Sun Jun 22 9:43PM
gone to heaven, I expect (nm)
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hcb,
Mon Jun 23 10:55PM
Lake in the context of his times
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Paul Cool,
Sun Jun 22 6:12PM
Thanks Paul
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Gary Roberts,
Tue Jun 24 5:23AM
The dates for Raven just jumped out at me
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Paul Cool,
Tue Jun 24 9:15AM
Successful formula
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Gary Roberts,
Tue Jun 24 11:44AM
Wyatt Earp and the film studios
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randy king,
Sun Jun 22 8:14AM
I doubt Wyatt was ever paid......
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Jeff Morey,
Sun Jun 22 11:18AM
this is film making in Los Angeles
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randy king,
Sun Jun 22 11:49AM
Did the Cow-boys wear hand-me-downs???
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Paul Cool,
Sat Jun 21 4:10PM
Re: Did the Cow-boys wear hand-me-downs???
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Anne Collier,
Sat Jun 21 4:45PM
You would like this book, Anne
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Paul Cool,
Sat Jun 21 4:54PM
Good to know, thanks Paul (nm)
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Anne Collier,
Sun Jun 22 8:12PM
I am away again
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JOHN ALLDRED,
Sat Jun 21 3:04AM
John -- drop me a note...
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Allen Barra,
Mon Jun 23 11:45AM
Safe travels, John! (nm)
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Jen,
Sat Jun 21 5:12AM
Let the grumbling begin.
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olds,
Wed Jun 18 4:26AM
McCabe and Mrs. Miller?
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Sarah Stegall,
Fri Jun 20 11:16AM
What? No 'Blazing Saddles'??? (nm)
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Sarah Stegall,
Fri Jun 20 11:00AM
Hands down The Wild Bunch-all the way! (nm)
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Treese,
Thu Jun 19 8:58PM
Absolutely!!! The Wild Bunch #1
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Chuck58,
Sat Jun 21 11:05PM
The actors in The Wild Bunch..
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Treese,
Sun Jun 22 1:13PM
"It's not as good as the old days..." (nm)
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Herbie,
Tue Jun 24 9:09AM
Peckinpah selected the perfect
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Chuck,
Sun Jun 22 6:02PM
Watch it Chuck..
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Treese,
Sun Jun 22 9:12PM
I wouldn't trust a woman who wouldn't watch
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Herbie,
Tue Jun 24 2:08PM
Interesting.. (nm)
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Treese,
Wed Jun 25 5:09AM
I'm just a simple man, nothing to it (nm)
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Herbie,
Wed Jun 25 9:50AM
*cough* *cough* Foot in mouth disease
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Chuck58,
Sun Jun 22 9:47PM
Chuck, I did like Brad Pitt in Jesse James (nm)
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Treese,
Sun Jun 22 1:16PM
I haven't seen it yet. There isn't
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Chuck58,
Sun Jun 22 8:58PM
James Film on DVD
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T. Yeatman,
Sun Jun 22 11:49PM
Dark Horse
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Steve Lubet,
Wed Jun 18 6:55PM
Rio Bravo over High Noon
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p cool,
Wed Jun 18 6:37PM
If they were just choosing "best"....
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Allen Barra,
Wed Jun 18 1:44PM
As would "Deadwood." (nm)
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olds,
Fri Jun 20 1:48PM
Good choice. (nm)
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Allen Barra,
Fri Jun 20 10:49PM
And another I really enjoyed
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John Alldred,
Fri Jun 20 6:41PM
You ain't wrong, Allen.
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Tim Fattig,
Wed Jun 18 3:05PM
That's the word. "Comanche Moon" was...
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Allen Barra,
Fri Jun 20 11:23AM
"Comanche Moon" was..a critical turkey but got good ratings?
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B.J.,
Sat Jun 21 3:27PM
Why do you think that Billy?
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olds,
Mon Jun 23 7:31PM
Olds
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B.J.,
Wed Jun 25 11:37AM
Nothing complicated or mysterious
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olds,
Thu Jun 26 6:23AM
I can tell you how I qualified, Billy...
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Allen Barra,
Wed Jun 25 1:42PM
Nor do they need...
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Allen Barra,
Sun Jun 22 11:12AM
new york critic?
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hcb,
Sat Jun 21 9:46PM
By "New York critic" Billy means...
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Allen Barra,
Sun Jun 22 11:14AM
Didn't the author of Dances write a sequel?
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Jeff Morey,
Fri Jun 20 11:48AM
The actual title...
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Allen Barra,
Fri Jun 20 10:51PM
"Dances" sequel?
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Sarah Stegall,
Fri Jun 20 11:18AM
I always thought it might be interesting. . .
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Gary Roberts,
Sat Jun 21 10:32AM
John Dunbar (nm)
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Gary Roberts,
Sat Jun 21 10:46AM
wincer
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hcb,
Wed Jun 18 11:17PM
Are you suggesting
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olds,
Fri Jun 20 1:49PM
grumble
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hcb,
Wed Jun 18 12:46PM
Another favorite would be....
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Jeff Morey,
Wed Jun 18 2:33PM
One-Eyed Jacks (nm)
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Kellam MacKenzie,
Fri Jun 20 3:12PM
Re: One-Eyed Jacks
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Herbie,
Wed Jun 25 10:02AM
Any number of westerns could have trumped
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Herbie,
Wed Jun 18 1:54PM
Cat Ballou? (nm)
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Herbie,
Wed Jun 18 10:05AM
I thought Cat Ballou was a comedy! (nm)
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Jeff Morey,
Wed Jun 18 6:49AM
Does that mean you thought
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olds,
Wed Jun 18 11:35AM
Dear "Some".....
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Jeff Morey,
Wed Jun 18 1:00PM
Isn't it (mildly) interesting that no one
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olds,
Thu Jun 19 9:17AM
westernz
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hcb,
Sat Jun 21 10:03PM
Now, now, Bruce....
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Tim Fattig,
Thu Jun 19 7:43PM
You'll need to explain that one to me, Tim.
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olds,
Fri Jun 20 1:36PM
See what the boys in the backroom will have...
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Mark Dworkin,
Wed Jun 18 5:05AM
Come on, Mark!
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Jeff Morey,
Wed Jun 18 9:37AM
The Boys
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Mark Dworkin,
Wed Jun 18 11:49AM
This brings to mind....
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Jeff Morey,
Wed Jun 18 2:41PM
Most saloons...
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Mark Dworkin,
Wed Jun 18 8:08PM
Saloons
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Sherry Monahan,
Thu Jun 19 5:35AM
Re: Saloons
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Anonymous,
Thu Jun 19 5:43AM
Excellent book
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James Wright,
Fri Jun 20 12:05PM
I thought it was Rosa's Cantina (nm)
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Herbie,
Wed Jun 18 3:58PM
It gets no better
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Steve Lubet,
Wed Jun 18 1:01PM
tell them I died of the same
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hcb,
Wed Jun 18 12:45PM
OK, I'll bite. List-making is fun.
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Tim Fattig,
Wed Jun 18 3:02PM
Some favorites
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Geraldo,
Thu Jun 19 10:02AM
the best
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JOHN ALLDRED,
Thu Jun 19 10:03PM
Re: the best
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Sarah Stegall,
Fri Jun 20 11:13AM
I know you dig landscape, Sarah,
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olds,
Fri Jun 20 1:46PM
Re: I know you dig landscape, Sarah,
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Sarah Stegall,
Fri Jun 20 2:38PM
Manly men?
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olds,
Fri Jun 20 4:00PM
Poppycock.
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Sarah Stegall,
Fri Jun 20 4:30PM
Don't forget Alan Ladd
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Herbie,
Fri Jun 20 5:45PM
Alan Ladd was the same height as.....
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Jeff Morey,
Sun Jun 22 11:24AM
Don Barrie was only 5'4"?
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Herbie,
Mon Jun 23 2:18PM
Did they ride Shetland ponies? (nm)
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Allen Barra,
Sun Jun 22 3:35PM
Cockypop.
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olds,
Fri Jun 20 4:52PM
Agreed: That'll be the day... (nm)
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Herbie,
Tue Jun 24 9:11AM
Also "Open Range" (nm)
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Sarah Stegall,
Fri Jun 20 11:22AM
A Dozen--or more
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Gary Roberts,
Fri Jun 20 5:09AM
Good choices, Gary. Does anyone else rate
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Chris P,
Sat Jun 21 2:24AM
Fine selection
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Herbie,
Fri Jun 20 2:32PM
Gunfight
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Gary Roberts,
Sat Jun 21 10:42AM
Tombstone has a few good ones
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Herbie,
Tue Jun 24 2:05PM
Dances with Wolves, of COURSE
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Sarah Stegall,
Fri Jun 20 11:22AM
The cimematography in DANCES..
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Jeff Morey,
Fri Jun 20 12:01PM
Robert Parker's "Appaloosa"?
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Sarah Stegall,
Fri Jun 20 12:27PM
Look it up on a google image search.
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Jeff Morey,
Fri Jun 20 2:24PM
Re: Look it up on a google image search.
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Sarah Stegall,
Fri Jun 20 4:36PM
Pornography, Sarah.
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olds,
Fri Jun 20 4:56PM
Pornographic Westerns?
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Sarah Stegall,
Fri Jun 20 6:02PM
Must be my fault, but
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olds,
Sun Jun 22 5:52AM
We're both right, olds.
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Sarah Stegall,
Sun Jun 22 4:51PM
Great selections, Gary.
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Tim Fattig,
Fri Jun 20 9:51AM
I agree. RIDE WITH THE DEVIL is an unacknowledged treasure. (nm
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Jeff Morey,
Sun Jun 22 11:28AM
My List of Underappreciated Westerns
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Jeff Morey,
Fri Jun 20 6:56AM
Unforgiven
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Herbie,
Fri Jun 20 2:26PM
Yes indeed....!
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Jeff Morey,
Fri Jun 20 3:03PM
P.S......
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Jeff Morey,
Fri Jun 20 8:27AM
WHY???
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Geraldo,
Fri Jun 20 12:18PM
I suspect.....
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Jeff Morey,
Sat Jun 21 11:12AM
Phoebe Titus vs Cat Ballou
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Geraldo,
Sun Jun 22 11:54AM
The Movie "Will Penny"
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randy King,
Sun Jun 22 8:12AM
Yes, Will Penny was a winner (nm)
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Gary Roberts,
Sun Jun 22 3:05PM
Oh, to make matters worse
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Gary Roberts,
Fri Jun 20 5:29AM
Tim, You should be run outa town on a rail!! (nm)
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Jen,
Wed Jun 18 6:17PM
What was it, Jen? The inclusion....
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Tim Fattig,
Thu Jun 19 7:15PM
Raoul Walsh
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Allen Barra,
Tue Jun 17 10:24AM
Nice Job Allen
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Butch Badon,
Sun Jun 22 6:38PM
walsh/Boetticher
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hcb,
Tue Jun 17 9:39PM
Rich Hall's 'How The West Was Lost'
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hcb,
Mon Jun 16 4:03PM
Anyone else have difficulty
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olds,
Tue Jun 17 8:27AM
yippie ki yay
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hcb,
Tue Jun 17 10:07PM
So what's so great about
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olds,
Wed Jun 18 4:42AM
them or us
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hcb,
Wed Jun 18 12:41PM
Which is to say, in that final sentence,
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olds,
Wed Jun 18 4:44AM
Scorsese & THE SEARCHERS
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Geraldo,
Tue Jun 17 4:34PM
Richard Nixion's favorite movie was.....
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Jeff Morey,
Tue Jun 17 3:05PM
I beg to differ. Nixon's favorite was....
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Allen Barra,
Tue Jun 17 10:35PM
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