The Arizona Territory Forum

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Welcome to the Arizona Territory Forum, a place for students, researchers, and fans of the Old West to exchange news and views about the leading figures and lesser-known personalities of Arizona's Territorial days, with a particular focus on the outlaws, lawmen, settlers, politicians, explorers, and pioneers who made their mark in Arizona between 1863 and 1912. "There is a history of this land of Arizona, one full of strange stories of all that is horrible, much that is romantic, and not a little that is beautiful...." -- Captain John Gregory Bourke, Century Magazine, 1891.

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Tombstone session at next Western History Asso conference - p cool, Fri Jul 4 2:17PM

Re: Tombstone session at next Western History Asso conference - Tim Fattig, Sat Jul 5 11:07AM

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Happy 4th of July....... - randy king, Fri Jul 4 11:47AM

Bang! - Sarah Stegall, Sat Jul 5 3:54PM

Happy 4th of July, everyone! (nm) - Tim Fattig, Fri Jul 4 9:48AM

Ditto (nm) - Nellie K, Fri Jul 4 3:06PM

Sunday Commerce - Gary Ledoux, Thu Jul 3 11:13AM

Today in history - gunfight at the D.C. train station - Tim Fattig, Wed Jul 2 4:33PM

Train Station - T. Yeatman, Fri Jul 4 6:11PM

Ghost of General Pershing - T. J. Stiles, Tue Jul 1 8:05PM

The Presidio was my "home away from home" - Paul Cool, Wed Jul 2 5:38PM

A ghost town no longer - T. J. Stiles, Wed Jul 2 9:20PM

T. J., please email me. - Gary Roberts, Wed Jul 2 6:46AM

Just shoot me an e-mail - T. J. Stiles, Wed Jul 2 9:19AM

History lives elsewhere.... - T. Yeatman, Tue Jul 1 11:53PM

Great story, T.J., thanks for sharing! (nm) - Tim Fattig, Tue Jul 1 9:07PM

One more for the road..... - T. Yeatman, Wed Jul 2 12:34AM

Wyatt Earp Sale & Wyatt's 160th - Matsons, Tue Jul 1 9:17AM

WWA Top 100 Western Films - Michael F. Blake, Mon Jun 30 9:50AM

Is # 50 really that good? - Herbie, Mon Jun 30 3:13PM

Ain't lists grand? - olds, Mon Jun 30 2:47PM

Agreed, for the most part, Bruce. - Tim Fattig, Tue Jul 1 12:30AM

As a member of WWA, I was sent the - sharonc, Tue Jul 1 8:49AM

I appreciate that kind suggestion, Sharon, - olds, Wed Jul 2 3:21PM

Well, back in Cooper's day - Herbie, Tue Jul 1 9:36AM

You carry that autobiography - olds, Tue Jul 1 3:38AM

Lists - Kieran, Wed Jul 2 5:13AM

My problem, Kieran, was less the pretension, - olds, Wed Jul 2 10:31AM

Agreed..... - T. Yeatman, Sat Jul 5 3:32PM

Dances with Wolves - Kieran, Wed Jul 2 11:25AM

I remember the review, Bruce. - Tim Fattig, Tue Jul 1 9:04PM

Rewrite those historical movies - T. J. Stiles, Fri Jun 27 10:08PM

Someone should rewrite at least - Herbie, Mon Jun 30 3:14PM

According to True West Magazine - Herbie, Tue Jul 1 3:53PM

I don't know, T. J. - Gary Roberts, Sat Jun 28 6:49AM

Gary, you are no fun at all - T. J. Stiles, Sat Jun 28 8:58AM

T, J. - Gary Roberts, Sat Jun 28 12:05PM

Spaghetti Eastern... - T. Yeatman, Sat Jun 28 12:17PM

How did you like... - Geraldo, Sat Jun 28 12:57PM

"The Patriot".... - T. Yeatman, Fri Jun 27 11:22PM

Excellent points, T.J., but.... - Tim Fattig, Sat Jun 28 1:04AM

Without presuming to re-make your point - olds, Sat Jun 28 9:01AM

Now hold on a mite.... - Allen Barra, Sun Jun 29 11:56AM

I'm in total sympathy - olds, Sun Jun 29 5:33PM

its a tricky question... - Allen Barra, Mon Jun 30 9:19PM

It IS a tricky question, but - olds, Wed Jul 2 12:59PM

I couldn't have put it better - T. J. Stiles, Sun Jun 29 3:19PM

Nagging Problem - Gary Roberts, Mon Jun 30 6:24AM

Good points, but... - T. J. Stiles, Tue Jul 1 10:23AM

I never saw the film, but..... - T. Yeatman, Tue Jul 1 6:52PM

Back atcha - Gary Roberts, Tue Jul 1 2:08PM

Couldn't disagree more, Gary. - olds, Thu Jul 3 5:43AM

Perhaps less than you think - Gary Roberts, Sat Jul 5 11:21AM

I see your point - T. J. Stiles, Tue Jul 1 4:09PM

Religion - T. Yeatman, Tue Jul 1 7:04PM

Very True - T. J. Stiles, Tue Jul 1 8:02PM

That's what a professor of mine - olds, Wed Jul 2 12:57PM

Spoken like a true existentialist! - Jeff Morey, Thu Jul 3 7:19AM

No question. - olds, Thu Jul 3 7:56AM

I'll have to thing about that..... - Jeff Morey, Thu Jul 3 8:51AM

My God! I'm turning into Desi Arnaz! - Jeff Morey, Thu Jul 3 9:12AM

Better Mr. Arnaz, (nm) - olds, Thu Jul 3 1:13PM

Filmmakers do opt for shortcuts - Herbie, Mon Jun 30 3:42PM

I'm in complete sympathy, T.J. - olds, Sun Jun 29 5:10PM

"What's the nickle for?" - Herbie, Mon Jun 30 3:17PM

Your ruminations are remunerative - T. J. Stiles, Sun Jun 29 5:45PM

Walker's the Ed Harris film, right? - olds, Sun Jun 29 6:24PM

Walker - T. Yeatman, Sun Jun 29 7:34PM

That's exactly it, Bruce. - Tim Fattig, Sat Jun 28 9:58AM

Henry Cabot beck's writing?? - Allen Barra, Sun Jun 29 11:58AM

weekly world shnooze - hcb, Sun Jun 29 10:44PM

The difference is that... - Allen Barra, Mon Jun 30 9:21PM

Allen ck your email - Nellie K, Mon Jun 30 9:41PM

Nellie: Got it. - Allen Barra, Fri Jul 4 9:38PM

The reasoning behind having Doc kill Ringo.... - Jeff Morey, Sat Jun 28 10:51AM

Oh boy... - T. J. Stiles, Sat Jun 28 9:30AM

I get it too, T.J. - olds, Sat Jun 28 10:37AM

"Gettysburg" - T. Yeatman, Sat Jun 28 11:43AM

Now you're talking - T. J. Stiles, Sat Jun 28 10:46AM

Suffering & Terror on BOOK TV this weekend - Geraldo, Thu Jul 3 4:36PM

Gettysburg addendum - Gary Roberts, Sat Jun 28 12:20PM

Gettysburg - T. Yeatman, Sat Jun 28 6:45PM

"We rob banks" - Geraldo, Sat Jun 28 11:42AM

That should have been... - Geraldo, Sat Jun 28 11:47AM

First of all, you responded to Ted - T. J. Stiles, Sat Jun 28 8:56AM

"The Patriot"....... - T. Yeatman, Sat Jun 28 3:09AM

The Patriot--and more - Gary Roberts, Sat Jun 28 6:58AM

Rev. War films - T. Yeatman, Sat Jun 28 12:06PM

"Mud and rags" - Geraldo, Sat Jun 28 7:42AM

baths - hcb, Sat Jun 28 9:43PM

In listing crimes against humanity, - olds, Sun Jun 29 5:08AM

Brando in a bathtub - Geraldo, Sun Jun 29 6:26AM

That was really Brando in that tub - Herbie, Mon Jun 30 3:44PM

bathtubs - hcb, Sun Jun 29 10:48PM

Aha! - olds, Mon Jun 30 6:45AM

looking for my dentures - hcb, Mon Jun 30 2:21PM

Yes, well, at this point, I believe - olds, Mon Jun 30 3:08PM

Self-fixing window in Missouri Breaks - T. J. Stiles, Sun Jun 29 3:03PM

Thanks, Jerry. - olds, Sun Jun 29 7:22AM

Which noteworthy westerns have still not made it to DVD? (nm) - Jeff Morey, Fri Jun 27 8:51AM

Missing movies - Geraldo, Fri Jun 27 9:27AM

The Tall T (nm) - Anne Collier, Fri Jun 27 11:53AM

Lonely are the Brave (nm) - Herbie, Fri Jun 27 10:10AM

LAW AND ORDER (1932) (nm) - Jeff Morey, Sat Jun 28 10:55AM

law and order and... - hcb, Mon Jun 30 2:38PM

The Grey Fox, The Hanging Tree, Monte Walsh (1970) (nm) - CNW, Mon Jun 30 1:51PM

Also Two Rode Together, and Duke's uncut The Alamo (nm) - CNW, Mon Jun 30 1:59PM

Streets of Tombstone - Gary Ledoux, Thu Jun 26 8:13PM

Re: Streets of Tombstone - Tim Fattig, Fri Jun 27 10:16PM

Street Name Origins - Gary Ledoux, Sat Jun 28 6:03PM

Charles M. Bruce - Sonora Tom, Mon Jun 30 4:40PM

Mystery Solved..thanks (nm) - Gary Ledoux, Mon Jun 30 7:33PM

1 more list: Who's the Best Bad Guy in Film? - Herbie, Thu Jun 26 5:52PM

One more I almost forgot about - Kellam MacKenzie, Sun Jun 29 5:03PM

Try these... - T. Yeatman, Fri Jun 27 2:21PM

Three from me - Kellam MacKenzie, Fri Jun 27 7:22PM

If we're going to include - olds, Sat Jun 28 8:14AM

Agreed! - Kellam MacKenzie, Sat Jun 28 2:23PM

My Hall of Fame - Geraldo, Fri Jun 27 9:22AM

Re: 1 more list: Who's the Best Bad Guy in Film? - Sarah Stegall, Thu Jun 26 10:31PM

My vote goes to..... - Jeff Morey, Fri Jun 27 6:58AM

What could be easier? - olds, Fri Jun 27 10:14AM

How could I forget? - olds, Fri Jun 27 10:37AM

Re: How could I forget? - Sarah Stegall, Fri Jun 27 4:51PM

For a non-western, I go with.... - Jeff Morey, Fri Jun 27 12:24PM

Re: For a non-western, I go with.... - Sarah Stegall, Fri Jun 27 4:52PM

Non western Richard Widmark - Anonymous, Fri Jun 27 2:03PM

I forgot to post my name. (nm) - Anonymous, Fri Jun 27 2:04PM

Powers Booth Westerns (nm) - Anonymous, Fri Jun 27 2:05PM

Lee Van Cleef hands down! (nm) - Sonora Tom, Fri Jun 27 4:48PM

I have to agree.. - Gary Ledoux, Sat Jun 28 6:09PM

Will you still say that after... - Mark Dworkin, Fri Jun 27 8:54PM

Sheriff Bullock rides into DAMAGES - Tim Fattig, Thu Jun 26 4:41PM

Re: Sheriff Bullock rides into DAMAGES - Sarah Stegall, Thu Jun 26 10:33PM

Please do, Sarah. - olds, Fri Jun 27 6:11AM

Olyphant played the bad guy... - Kellam MacKenzie, Fri Jun 27 6:48PM

He was also the lead... - Tim Fattig, Sat Jun 28 1:08AM

TEC brings mining back to Tombstone - Tim Fattig, Tue Jun 24 9:37PM

Those cussin' Victorians - Tim Fattig, Tue Jun 24 9:29PM

Time,place,gender,class, and respectability... - RS, Thu Jun 26 5:43PM

Well, I'll be damned... - Herbie, Wed Jun 25 2:06PM

Wonderful! Until now I could only ... - Jeff Smith, Tue Jun 24 10:45PM

I didn't realize they had CB radios back that far!!! (nm) - Jen, Wed Jun 25 8:20AM

Shoeless Joe - Anonymous, Tue Jun 24 7:35AM

Anonymous is moi (nm) - Mark Dworkin, Tue Jun 24 7:35AM

RIP: George Carlin, 71. - Tim Fattig, Mon Jun 23 8:24AM

My obit and letter from George ... - Allen Barra, Thu Jun 26 1:33PM

Seinfeld on Carlin, from today's NY Times - Paul Cool, Tue Jun 24 3:28AM

That's sad. He was one of the best - Chuck58, Mon Jun 23 11:13AM

Carlin was actually fairly conservative in some ways - Paul Cool, Mon Jun 23 1:48PM

"they're weak soft and squishy" of course (nm) - Anonymous, Mon Jun 23 1:49PM

Since we've been talking Westerns lately... - Tim Fattig, Sun Jun 22 8:34PM

"New Classics?" - Herbie, Mon Jun 23 3:25PM

I think the word 'arbitrary' fits that list - Chuck58, Sun Jun 22 9:43PM

gone to heaven, I expect (nm) - hcb, Mon Jun 23 10:55PM

Lake in the context of his times - Paul Cool, Sun Jun 22 6:12PM

Thanks Paul - Gary Roberts, Tue Jun 24 5:23AM

The dates for Raven just jumped out at me - Paul Cool, Tue Jun 24 9:15AM

Successful formula - Gary Roberts, Tue Jun 24 11:44AM

Wyatt Earp and the film studios - randy king, Sun Jun 22 8:14AM

I doubt Wyatt was ever paid...... - Jeff Morey, Sun Jun 22 11:18AM

this is film making in Los Angeles - randy king, Sun Jun 22 11:49AM

Did the Cow-boys wear hand-me-downs??? - Paul Cool, Sat Jun 21 4:10PM

Re: Did the Cow-boys wear hand-me-downs??? - Anne Collier, Sat Jun 21 4:45PM

You would like this book, Anne - Paul Cool, Sat Jun 21 4:54PM

Good to know, thanks Paul (nm) - Anne Collier, Sun Jun 22 8:12PM

I am away again - JOHN ALLDRED, Sat Jun 21 3:04AM

John -- drop me a note... - Allen Barra, Mon Jun 23 11:45AM

Safe travels, John! (nm) - Jen, Sat Jun 21 5:12AM

Let the grumbling begin. - olds, Wed Jun 18 4:26AM

McCabe and Mrs. Miller? - Sarah Stegall, Fri Jun 20 11:16AM

What? No 'Blazing Saddles'??? (nm) - Sarah Stegall, Fri Jun 20 11:00AM

Hands down The Wild Bunch-all the way! (nm) - Treese, Thu Jun 19 8:58PM

Absolutely!!! The Wild Bunch #1 - Chuck58, Sat Jun 21 11:05PM

The actors in The Wild Bunch.. - Treese, Sun Jun 22 1:13PM

"It's not as good as the old days..." (nm) - Herbie, Tue Jun 24 9:09AM

Peckinpah selected the perfect - Chuck, Sun Jun 22 6:02PM

Watch it Chuck.. - Treese, Sun Jun 22 9:12PM

I wouldn't trust a woman who wouldn't watch - Herbie, Tue Jun 24 2:08PM

Interesting.. (nm) - Treese, Wed Jun 25 5:09AM

I'm just a simple man, nothing to it (nm) - Herbie, Wed Jun 25 9:50AM

*cough* *cough* Foot in mouth disease - Chuck58, Sun Jun 22 9:47PM

Chuck, I did like Brad Pitt in Jesse James (nm) - Treese, Sun Jun 22 1:16PM

I haven't seen it yet. There isn't - Chuck58, Sun Jun 22 8:58PM

James Film on DVD - T. Yeatman, Sun Jun 22 11:49PM

Dark Horse - Steve Lubet, Wed Jun 18 6:55PM

Rio Bravo over High Noon - p cool, Wed Jun 18 6:37PM

If they were just choosing "best".... - Allen Barra, Wed Jun 18 1:44PM

As would "Deadwood." (nm) - olds, Fri Jun 20 1:48PM

Good choice. (nm) - Allen Barra, Fri Jun 20 10:49PM

And another I really enjoyed - John Alldred, Fri Jun 20 6:41PM

You ain't wrong, Allen. - Tim Fattig, Wed Jun 18 3:05PM

That's the word. "Comanche Moon" was... - Allen Barra, Fri Jun 20 11:23AM

"Comanche Moon" was..a critical turkey but got good ratings? - B.J., Sat Jun 21 3:27PM

Why do you think that Billy? - olds, Mon Jun 23 7:31PM

Olds - B.J., Wed Jun 25 11:37AM

Nothing complicated or mysterious - olds, Thu Jun 26 6:23AM

I can tell you how I qualified, Billy... - Allen Barra, Wed Jun 25 1:42PM

Nor do they need... - Allen Barra, Sun Jun 22 11:12AM

new york critic? - hcb, Sat Jun 21 9:46PM

By "New York critic" Billy means... - Allen Barra, Sun Jun 22 11:14AM

Didn't the author of Dances write a sequel? - Jeff Morey, Fri Jun 20 11:48AM

The actual title... - Allen Barra, Fri Jun 20 10:51PM

"Dances" sequel? - Sarah Stegall, Fri Jun 20 11:18AM

I always thought it might be interesting. . . - Gary Roberts, Sat Jun 21 10:32AM

John Dunbar (nm) - Gary Roberts, Sat Jun 21 10:46AM

wincer - hcb, Wed Jun 18 11:17PM

Are you suggesting - olds, Fri Jun 20 1:49PM

grumble - hcb, Wed Jun 18 12:46PM

Another favorite would be.... - Jeff Morey, Wed Jun 18 2:33PM

One-Eyed Jacks (nm) - Kellam MacKenzie, Fri Jun 20 3:12PM

Re: One-Eyed Jacks - Herbie, Wed Jun 25 10:02AM

Any number of westerns could have trumped - Herbie, Wed Jun 18 1:54PM

Cat Ballou? (nm) - Herbie, Wed Jun 18 10:05AM

I thought Cat Ballou was a comedy! (nm) - Jeff Morey, Wed Jun 18 6:49AM

Does that mean you thought - olds, Wed Jun 18 11:35AM

Dear "Some"..... - Jeff Morey, Wed Jun 18 1:00PM

Isn't it (mildly) interesting that no one - olds, Thu Jun 19 9:17AM

westernz - hcb, Sat Jun 21 10:03PM

Now, now, Bruce.... - Tim Fattig, Thu Jun 19 7:43PM

You'll need to explain that one to me, Tim. - olds, Fri Jun 20 1:36PM

See what the boys in the backroom will have... - Mark Dworkin, Wed Jun 18 5:05AM

Come on, Mark! - Jeff Morey, Wed Jun 18 9:37AM

The Boys - Mark Dworkin, Wed Jun 18 11:49AM

This brings to mind.... - Jeff Morey, Wed Jun 18 2:41PM

Most saloons... - Mark Dworkin, Wed Jun 18 8:08PM

Saloons - Sherry Monahan, Thu Jun 19 5:35AM

Re: Saloons - Anonymous, Thu Jun 19 5:43AM

Excellent book - James Wright, Fri Jun 20 12:05PM

I thought it was Rosa's Cantina (nm) - Herbie, Wed Jun 18 3:58PM

It gets no better - Steve Lubet, Wed Jun 18 1:01PM

tell them I died of the same - hcb, Wed Jun 18 12:45PM

OK, I'll bite. List-making is fun. - Tim Fattig, Wed Jun 18 3:02PM

Some favorites - Geraldo, Thu Jun 19 10:02AM

the best - JOHN ALLDRED, Thu Jun 19 10:03PM

Re: the best - Sarah Stegall, Fri Jun 20 11:13AM

I know you dig landscape, Sarah, - olds, Fri Jun 20 1:46PM

Re: I know you dig landscape, Sarah, - Sarah Stegall, Fri Jun 20 2:38PM

Manly men? - olds, Fri Jun 20 4:00PM

Poppycock. - Sarah Stegall, Fri Jun 20 4:30PM

Don't forget Alan Ladd - Herbie, Fri Jun 20 5:45PM

Alan Ladd was the same height as..... - Jeff Morey, Sun Jun 22 11:24AM

Don Barrie was only 5'4"? - Herbie, Mon Jun 23 2:18PM

Did they ride Shetland ponies? (nm) - Allen Barra, Sun Jun 22 3:35PM

Cockypop. - olds, Fri Jun 20 4:52PM

Agreed: That'll be the day... (nm) - Herbie, Tue Jun 24 9:11AM

Also "Open Range" (nm) - Sarah Stegall, Fri Jun 20 11:22AM

A Dozen--or more - Gary Roberts, Fri Jun 20 5:09AM

Good choices, Gary. Does anyone else rate - Chris P, Sat Jun 21 2:24AM

Fine selection - Herbie, Fri Jun 20 2:32PM

Gunfight - Gary Roberts, Sat Jun 21 10:42AM

Tombstone has a few good ones - Herbie, Tue Jun 24 2:05PM

Dances with Wolves, of COURSE - Sarah Stegall, Fri Jun 20 11:22AM

The cimematography in DANCES.. - Jeff Morey, Fri Jun 20 12:01PM

Robert Parker's "Appaloosa"? - Sarah Stegall, Fri Jun 20 12:27PM

Look it up on a google image search. - Jeff Morey, Fri Jun 20 2:24PM

Re: Look it up on a google image search. - Sarah Stegall, Fri Jun 20 4:36PM

Pornography, Sarah. - olds, Fri Jun 20 4:56PM

Pornographic Westerns? - Sarah Stegall, Fri Jun 20 6:02PM

Must be my fault, but - olds, Sun Jun 22 5:52AM

We're both right, olds. - Sarah Stegall, Sun Jun 22 4:51PM

Great selections, Gary. - Tim Fattig, Fri Jun 20 9:51AM

I agree. RIDE WITH THE DEVIL is an unacknowledged treasure. (nm - Jeff Morey, Sun Jun 22 11:28AM

My List of Underappreciated Westerns - Jeff Morey, Fri Jun 20 6:56AM

Unforgiven - Herbie, Fri Jun 20 2:26PM

Yes indeed....! - Jeff Morey, Fri Jun 20 3:03PM

P.S...... - Jeff Morey, Fri Jun 20 8:27AM

WHY??? - Geraldo, Fri Jun 20 12:18PM

I suspect..... - Jeff Morey, Sat Jun 21 11:12AM

Phoebe Titus vs Cat Ballou - Geraldo, Sun Jun 22 11:54AM

The Movie "Will Penny" - randy King, Sun Jun 22 8:12AM

Yes, Will Penny was a winner (nm) - Gary Roberts, Sun Jun 22 3:05PM

Oh, to make matters worse - Gary Roberts, Fri Jun 20 5:29AM

Tim, You should be run outa town on a rail!! (nm) - Jen, Wed Jun 18 6:17PM

What was it, Jen? The inclusion.... - Tim Fattig, Thu Jun 19 7:15PM

Raoul Walsh - Allen Barra, Tue Jun 17 10:24AM

Nice Job Allen - Butch Badon, Sun Jun 22 6:38PM

walsh/Boetticher - hcb, Tue Jun 17 9:39PM

Rich Hall's 'How The West Was Lost' - hcb, Mon Jun 16 4:03PM

Anyone else have difficulty - olds, Tue Jun 17 8:27AM

yippie ki yay - hcb, Tue Jun 17 10:07PM

So what's so great about - olds, Wed Jun 18 4:42AM

them or us - hcb, Wed Jun 18 12:41PM

Which is to say, in that final sentence, - olds, Wed Jun 18 4:44AM

Scorsese & THE SEARCHERS - Geraldo, Tue Jun 17 4:34PM

Richard Nixion's favorite movie was..... - Jeff Morey, Tue Jun 17 3:05PM

I beg to differ. Nixon's favorite was.... - Allen Barra, Tue Jun 17 10:35PM

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