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Reagan and Earp — Richard Hinton, Fri May 17 06:10

notes on Monmouth — William Urban, Sat May 18 16:50
Celebrated men? — K.t.K., Fri May 17 06:51
- I noticed you still sold Wyatt's angel robe for a bunch! — Tom Gaumer, Sat May 18 07:56
- - SORRY, Texas Tom — K.t.K., Sat May 18 08:57
  - - Much less the house bought with the robe profits!:-) (nm) — Tom Gaumer, Sat May 18 12:34
    - - What will super-duper Bob think of me? — K.t.K., Sat May 18 15:14
      - Re: What will super-duper Bob think of me? — Bob Cash, Sat May 18 21:01
  - Leave it to Reagan to mess up Latin! (nm) — Larry Dean, Sat May 18 08:07
  - - What? Latin was his native tongue as he was old! (nm) — Tom Gaumer, Sat May 18 12:38
- Celebrated men? — Jerry Lobdill, Sat May 18 03:17
- now we know — Wiley Bill, Fri May 17 22:50
- - now we know — Jerry Lobdill, Sat May 18 03:24
- But can you deny the coincidences? (nm) — Not wanting to get in the middle of this but, Fri May 17 07:18
- - Earp & Wayne — Steve Hartley, Sat May 18 05:46
  - - Actually.... — Jeff Morey, Sat May 18 16:32
    - Re: Earp & Wayne — Reed, Sat May 18 09:45

Calling Gary Roberts and other Holliday interested — Tom Gaumer, Thu May 16 08:28

Re: Calling Gary Roberts and other Holliday interested — Bob Cash, Thu May 16 13:39
- I'm not Gary, but... — Bob Cash, Fri May 17 08:50
- - What do you think of this? — Tom Gaumer, Fri May 17 22:46
  - - Re: What do you think of this? — Bob Cash, Sat May 18 09:01
- super — bfrey, Fri May 17 07:32
- I'm sticking with super considering how much we have — Tom Gaumer, Thu May 16 13:51
- - Stick to your guns, Texas Tom.... — Anonymous, Thu May 16 14:17
Re: Calling Gary Roberts and other Holliday interested — Anonymous, Thu May 16 10:20
- Due to the importance of this case to the public — Tom Gaumer, Thu May 16 13:47
- - Prior thread — Peter Love, Sat May 18 06:10
  - - Peter/prior thread.... — Joyce Aros, Sat May 18 10:04
    - - Tom and Joyce — Peter Love, Sat May 18 14:06
    - Thanks Pete, Gary's mastery of the subject is impressive — Tom Gaumer, Sat May 18 07:30
- From Karen Tanner's Doc Holliday book — bfrey, Thu May 16 10:52
- - 27 May, now? — Peter Love, Thu May 16 14:23
  - - don't shoot the messenger, I have my hands up!! lol — bfrey, Fri May 17 07:33
  - Doc's lawyer A-G-P-George may have been more colorful... — K.t.K., Thu May 16 12:52
  - - was wondering why... — bfrey, Fri May 17 07:36
  - So what do we have here? — Reed, Thu May 16 12:34
  - - Because of the public's anger about these murders, — Tom Gaumer, Thu May 16 13:59
    - - shenanigans — bfrey, Sat May 18 08:41
      - according to the prosecutor witnesses came forward — Tom Gaumer, Sat May 18 12:47
        
        There can be a large gap between theory and fact. — Reed, Sat May 18 10:00
        
        the scenario — bfrey, Sat May 18 11:42
        
        But that was the altercation — Reed, Sat May 18 13:53
        
        But three of the 4 were Joyce, Behan and Wes Fuller — Tom Gaumer, Sat May 18 13:00
        
        Joyce — bfrey, Sat May 18 13:30
        
        Nor do they seem to be of the most reliable — Reed, Sat May 18 13:16
        
        Re: Nor do they seem to be of the most reliable — Peter Love, Sat May 18 13:52
        
        Because I've done some reading and — Reed, Sat May 18 14:00
        
        than keep rereading the facts.. — bfrey, Sat May 18 21:58
        
        let's see your facts.. — bfrey, Sat May 18 20:53
        
        I'll put it this way: I don't know- — Reed, Sat May 18 21:19
        
        That's the point, nobody knows — bfrey, Sat May 18 21:38
        
        good guy (nm) — bfrey, Sat May 18 21:38
        
        What do you actually have? — Reed, Sat May 18 21:26
        
        stories — bfrey, Sat May 18 21:56
        
        witness intimidation — K.t.K., Sat May 18 09:28

Marshal Williams where did ya go? — bfrey, Wed May 15 09:50

M. Williams, billiard hall, Brooklyn Heights — K.t.K., Wed May 15 12:58
- great stuff Kenny.......... (nm) — bfrey, Wed May 15 14:42
What does it mean When you write — Reed, Wed May 15 10:30
- what I understand is........ — bfrey, Wed May 15 10:38
- - Is there actually anything documented — Reed, Wed May 15 11:23
  - - There is this... — Bob Cash, Wed May 15 13:12
    - - does it pass the test? — bfrey, Thu May 16 08:17
      - Let the chips fall where they may — Reed, Thu May 16 12:30
        
        Dodge passes the test because.... — K.t.K., Thu May 16 10:30
        
        Re: Dodge passes the test because.... — Bob Cash, Thu May 16 13:26
        
        Sure could, Bob — K.t.K., Thu May 16 14:01
      - Re: There is this... — Reed, Wed May 15 15:26

Message for Roger Jay... — Mark Boardman, Wed May 15 09:30

Re: Message for Roger Jay... — Roger Jay, Wed May 15 10:41
- I'll try through them... — Mark Boardman, Thu May 16 02:27

"Backed by a Syndicate" — Bob Cash, Sat May 11 11:13

Mr. Cash a dollar short and a year late. — K.t.K., Sat May 11 12:32

Ike Clanton: A Wild and Crazy Guy — Bob Cash, Sat May 11 09:50

www.roundvalleyaz.com & wikipedia — gobby git, Sun May 12 05:58
"Ike and Finn...knew when to pull in their horns." — K.t.K., Sat May 11 13:33

Mansfield/Marcus: Correction — Roger Jay, Sat May 11 06:33

Marshal Williams, what's the hurry? — bfrey, Thu May 9 16:24

Maybe they traced the bullion bar to him. — K.t.K., Fri May 10 04:02
- addendum $2,000 — K.t.K., Fri May 10 06:45
- - found it....... — bfrey, Fri May 10 08:34
  - bars found by worker, — bfrey, Fri May 10 07:50
  - - Re: bars found by worker, — Peter Love, Fri May 10 15:21
    - - believe it or not... — bfrey, Sat May 11 08:24
      - Deductive Logic---to be continued — Bob Paul, Sat May 11 10:15
        
        Logic — bfrey, Sat May 11 12:08

Mansfield-Marcus--the early stuff — Mark Boardman, Thu May 9 16:15

Re: Mansfield-Marcus--the early stuff — Roger Jay, Fri May 10 06:25
- Agreed! — Mark Boardman, Fri May 10 09:00

Lost message... — Jerry Lobdill, Wed May 8 14:33

Re: Lost message... — K.t.K., Wed May 8 14:39
- question? — bfrey, Thu May 9 12:51
- - Winchester .45-60 — K.t.K., Thu May 9 15:08

Larry Deger, Frontier Marshal — Bob Cash, Tue May 7 13:36

Never expected Larry to become a Texan.... — K.t.K., Tue May 7 15:40
- Re: Never expected Larry to become a Texan.... — Bob Cash, Wed May 8 13:36
- - Wow! Cash further immortalized! (nm) — K.t.K., Wed May 8 14:41
Bat Masterson, Fact and Fiction — Bob Cash, Tue May 7 13:49
- I'm fairly certain — olds, Tue May 7 15:43
- - Re: I'm fairly certain — K.t.K., Tue May 7 18:30
  - - Re: I'm fairly certain — Bob Cash, Wed May 8 07:32
    - - Dunno, Bob. — olds, Wed May 8 09:33
      - Plus, — olds, Wed May 8 11:35
        
        Totally Bogus? — Reed, Thu May 9 07:35
        
        Re: Plus, — Anonymous, Thu May 9 04:39
        
        I am in almost complete agreement with.. — Bob Cash, Wed May 8 13:45
        
        “Everything is vanity.” — K.t.K., Wed May 8 14:49
        
        Not being in the habit — olds, Fri May 10 06:56
        
        Re: Not being in the habit — K.t.K., Fri May 10 10:34
        
        Thank you, Mr. Vail. — olds, Sat May 11 08:17
        
        Wearisome it is, Kenny, — olds, Wed May 8 17:18
- Scraps of Dodge City History — Anonymous, Tue May 7 14:04
- - I'm surprised there hasn't been more comment on this... — Bob Cash, Wed May 8 13:28
  - - Re: I'm surprised there hasn't been more comment on this... — Peter Love, Wed May 8 22:17
    - - Re: I'm surprised there hasn't been more comment on this... — Bob Cash, Thu May 9 11:30
      - Ta, Bob (nm) — Peter Love, Thu May 9 15:12
    - Well, some of it is not compatible with.... — K.t.K., Wed May 8 14:47
    - - gangs without labels.. — bfrey, Thu May 9 12:38
      - Re: gangs without labels.. — Bob Cash, Fri May 10 13:19
        
        Dodge City gang — bfrey, Fri May 10 14:11

At the Gene Autry Museum a few weeks ago — C Reed, Tue May 7 04:09

Josie & Walter — Geraldo, Sat May 11 06:51
- Walter Huston hangs Andy Devine — Geraldo, Sun May 12 07:20
- - Re: Walter Huston hangs Andy Devine — Reed, Mon May 13 08:30

During the gunfight — Robin Andrews, Mon May 6 18:36

good question — bfrey, Tue May 7 05:27
- Doc Shoots Frank — adamsp13, Wed May 8 02:18

a few of Doc Goodfellow's instruments.. — bfrey, Mon May 6 11:59

County Hospital — K.t.K., Mon May 6 14:43
- perplexed.. — bfrey, Mon May 6 14:59
- - Re: perplexed.. — Peter Love, Mon May 6 21:48
  - - thanks... — bfrey, Tue May 7 05:26
    - - No asture man could believe the piping off bit from Ike? — Tom Gaumer, Tue May 7 16:09
      - Re: No asture man could believe the piping off bit from Ike? — Reed, Wed May 8 16:29
        
        Tom/ neglectful.... — Joyce Aros, Wed May 8 04:11
        
        I don't think it matters. Look at Ike's quote — Tom Gaumer, Thu May 9 09:16
        
        Re: No asture man could believe the piping off bit from Ike? — Peter Love, Tue May 7 18:22
        
        Another Ike buffoonery alert — Tom Gaumer, Thu May 9 09:05
        
        Re: Another Ike buffoonery alert — Reed, Thu May 9 18:39
        
        True and God pity Ike for such a ridiculous effort! LOL (nm) — Tom Gaumer, Thu May 9 21:05
        
        God Pity ALL of us, Texas Tom!! (nm) — K.t.K., Fri May 10 04:22
        
        Yep. I try to minimize my crying. (nm) — Tom Gaumer, Fri May 10 20:00
        
        When you are right, you are right! (nm) — K.t.K., Sat May 11 12:38
        
        Ike the Buffoon — Peter Love, Thu May 9 14:34
        
        Re: Ike the Buffoon — Bob Cash, Sat May 11 09:47
        
        Re: Ike the Buffoon — Peter Love, Sat May 11 14:12
        
        Re: Ike the Buffoon — Bob Cash, Sat May 11 17:36
        
        Re: Ike the Buffoon — Peter Love, Sat May 11 21:00
        
        Re: Ike the Buffoon — Tom Gaumer, Thu May 9 22:25
        
        Did Ike have the approval of his legal team? — C Reed, Wed May 8 03:49
        
        Exactly. From someone no one could take seriously (nm) — Tom Gaumer, Thu May 9 09:18
        
        Re: Did Ike have the approval of his legal team? — Peter Love, Wed May 8 05:25
        
        IKe was all over about who he had told — Tom Gaumer, Thu May 9 22:43
        
        Steady, Tom — Peter Love, Fri May 10 03:40
        
        Re: Steady, Tom — Tom Gaumer, Fri May 10 20:54
        
        Re: Steady, Tom — Peter Love, Fri May 10 22:00
        
        Re: Steady, Tom — Tom Gaumer, Sat May 11 15:17
        
        Re: Steady, Tom — Reed, Fri May 10 16:12
        
        Ike's comprehension.. — bfrey, Tue May 7 16:38
        
        Perhaps Ike was also whistling and — Reed, Tue May 14 03:38
        
        Wyatt's stupid secret........... — bfrey, Tue May 14 04:31
        
        If Wyatt just asks Williams for info — Tom Gaumer, Tue May 14 07:20
        
        How smart were any of these guys? — Reed, Tue May 14 14:56
        
        Re: How smart were any of these guys? — Reed, Tue May 14 15:05
        
        Wyatt's interpretation — bfrey, Tue May 14 07:35
        
        Why would Earp mention Williams — Reed, Wed May 15 05:22
        
        You might be right — Peter Love, Tue May 14 18:12
        
        another reason "the secret" is b.s.! — bfrey, Tue May 14 18:15
        
        Re: another reason "the secret" is b.s.! — Peter Love, Thu May 16 03:28
        
        The reward money might have been a factor — Reed, Thu May 16 04:46
        
        We agree Ike's claims were false and ridiculous — Anonymous, Sun May 12 10:18
        
        I'm the one whistling in the graveyard.. — bfrey, Sun May 12 19:04
        
        Go Bfrey! (nm) — Tom Gaumer, Sun May 12 22:18
      - stagecoach robbers everywhere — K.t.K., Tue May 7 11:24
      - addendum robbers everywhere: McMaster makes four (nm) — K.t.K., Tue May 7 11:31
      - bfrey/ another astute observation... — Joyce Aros, Tue May 7 10:36
      - Evidence... — bfrey, Tue May 7 12:06
        
        more on Marsh Williams — K.t.K., Wed May 8 06:36
        
        9 men........ — bfrey, Wed May 8 13:07
        
        "Old Man" Fuller — C Reed, Fri May 10 17:42
        
        Old Man Fuller — bfrey, Sat May 11 12:15
        
        Jimmy Harrington — K.t.K., Wed May 8 15:24
        
        Why has there to be more to it? — C Reed, Tue May 7 13:08
        
        there doesn't have to be more.. — bfrey, Tue May 7 14:32
        
        Re: there doesn't have to be more.. — Reed, Wed May 8 03:25
        
        see ktk post... — bfrey, Wed May 8 13:09
        
        Reed/conspiracy... — Joyce Aros, Wed May 8 04:29
        
        Ike tied the piping off to the shipment on the Benson stage. — Tom Gaumer, Fri May 10 21:35
        
        cooking books — Jerry Lobdill, Thu May 9 04:23
        
        When I was a kid I worked in a bank — Reed, Thu May 9 07:42
        
        @Reed — Jerry Lobdill, Thu May 9 10:21
        
        Williams — Reed, Thu May 9 07:47
        
        pocketing cash — Jerry Lobdill, Fri May 10 03:02
        
        Reed, how should this be deciphered? — K.t.K., Thu May 9 12:33
        
        Re: Reed, how should this be deciphered? — Reed, Sat May 11 03:30
        
        could he taken from other accounts to cover his W.F. thefts? (nm — bfrey, Sat May 11 14:03
        
        Reed & Bfrey — K.t.K., Sat May 11 17:58
        
        do we know whatever happened to Williams? — bfrey, Sat May 11 19:19
        
        $4,000 missing? — sharonc, Fri May 10 08:05
        
        Re: $4,000 missing? — K.t.K., Fri May 10 09:48
        
        Marshal Williams and Wyatt's loans — bfrey, Sat May 11 14:53
        
        Re: Marshal Williams and Wyatt's loans — Bob Cash, Sat May 11 16:34
        
        Not "rolling in cash"? — K.t.K., Sun May 12 07:22
        
        just as interesting as..... — bfrey, Sat May 11 19:16
        
        Bucking the Tiger — Reed, Mon May 13 08:37
        
        Of course you don't want to tell anyone — Reed, Thu May 9 07:50
        
        Re: Of course you don't want to tell anyone — Peter Love, Thu May 9 14:51
        
        leaving when the Earp's are leaving? — bfrey, Mon May 13 17:13
        
        Re: leaving when the Earp's are leaving? — Peter Love, Mon May 13 18:55
        
        What would have precitated an investigation — Reed, Fri May 10 16:00
        
        Jerry/ chef Williams... — Joyce Aros, Thu May 9 04:49
        
        Bruce/there doesn't have to be more?... — Joyce Aros, Tue May 7 16:13
        
        Re: Bruce/there doesn't have to be more?... — Reed, Wed May 8 16:11
        
        Well... — bfrey, Thu May 9 08:21
        
        Federal charge against Doc not — Tom Gaumer, Fri May 10 21:21
        
        federal — bfrey, Sat May 11 08:31
        
        A real find if true! — Tom Gaumer, Sat May 11 16:03
        
        I thought — bfrey, Sat May 11 19:15
        
        I think there was a charge labeled only "felony" — Tom Gaumer, Sat May 11 21:19
        
        once around the block... — bfrey, Sun May 12 18:20
        
        Re: once around the block... — Peter Love, Mon May 13 16:08
        
        I think you are right. — Tom Gaumer, Wed May 15 09:37
        
        Thanks Tom (nm) — Peter Love, Wed May 15 13:48
        
        Confused — Bob Cash, Tue May 14 06:53
        
        Thanks Bob. I am startled by that news item! — Tom Gaumer, Wed May 15 19:53
        
        Great Find Bob! FELONY — bfrey, Thu May 16 04:51
        
        What i have trouble believing is this — Tom Gaumer, Thu May 16 08:19
        
        Re: Great Find Bob! FELONY — Peter Love, Thu May 16 05:31
        
        good question — bfrey, Thu May 16 07:50
        
        Re: Confused — Peter Love, Tue May 14 17:07
        
        an early post — bfrey, Thu May 16 04:56
        
        your right — bfrey, Mon May 13 16:32
        
        Re: Bruce/there doesn't have to be more?... — Reed, Wed May 8 15:55
        
        Joyce/" incompetent Wells-Fargo" — K.t.K., Tue May 7 18:22
        
        Dodge claims, Williams fronted the money? — bfrey, Sat May 11 15:38
        
        Forgot about Fred Dodge — K.t.K., Sat May 11 19:04
  - Morgan's wound — K.t.K., Mon May 6 15:56
  - - Morgan's Wound — Jerry Lobdill, Thu May 9 03:59

Crystal Palace again — Peter Love, Sat May 4 21:59

Sadie and Wyatt in the News — Bob Cash, Fri May 3 20:55

The BBC "Wild West" Show. — Jeff Morey, Fri May 3 14:43

"In Old Arizona" on Blu-ray June 4 — John K., Thu May 2 06:07

Wounded Knee Battle site. — Larry K, Wed May 1 05:51

Last part... — Larry K, Wed May 1 05:53
- battle? — Peter Christoph, Fri May 3 08:13
- National battle site — bfrey, Wed May 1 16:14
- - Wounded Knee isn't exactly the most uplifting — C Reed, Tue May 7 03:53
  - - massacer site — bfrey, Tue May 7 06:04
  - I dunno Bruce.. — Larry K, Thu May 2 14:35
  - - greed — bfrey, Thu May 2 17:29
    - - Re: greed — Peter Christoph, Fri May 3 08:05
  - Sounds like a real estate massacre? (nm) — B.J., Thu May 2 14:31
  - - LOL, sure does BJ! (nm) — Larry K, Thu May 2 14:37

Moving to top Re: physicians for BFrey — K.t.K., Tue Apr 30 07:06

thanks (nm) — bfrey, Tue Apr 30 13:48

For the chronology — Gary Roberts, Tue Apr 30 06:00

1885 — Bob Cash, Tue Apr 30 20:51

Josie Earp, John Behan, and Al Sieber — John Boessenecker, Mon Apr 29 09:53

Re: Josie Earp, John Behan, and Al Sieber — Roger Jay, Tue Apr 30 12:03
- Josie Earp, John Behan, and Al Sieber — John Boessenecker, Tue Apr 30 20:50
- - Re: Josie Earp, John Behan, and Al Sieber — Roger Jay, Wed May 1 12:08
- Boyer "trap door" - great deduction, Roger! (nm) — K.t.K., Tue Apr 30 13:16

article quoting Guinn on gunfight — bfrey, Sat Apr 27 15:06

W. B. Stapp of Salt Lake City in Salem, Oregon in 1893 — Bob Cash, Fri Apr 26 12:01

CORRECTION: Since it is based on the fiirst THREE names.. — Bob Cash, Fri Apr 26 12:54
I'm sorry, the telegram for W.B. Stapp... — Bob Cash, Fri Apr 26 12:08
- Earp the bunko — K.t.K., Fri Apr 26 13:47
- - Mr. and Mrs. W. S. Earp in Excursion Party from the East — Bob Cash, Sat Apr 27 23:07
  - - Earp in Chicago — roger peterson, Wed May 1 14:46
    - - Roby, Indiana — Anne Collier, Thu May 2 16:37
      - Wow! Thank you, Anne. — Bob Cash, Thu May 2 18:07
        
        "Shot-Gun Collier" comes through AGAIN!! (nm) — K.t.K., Thu May 2 18:48
        
        Oh you guys, your enthusiasm is too sweet. ;-) (nm) — Anne Collier, Wed May 8 16:58
    - Good find; very helpful for time-line... — K.t.K., Sun Apr 28 06:14

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