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Paula N
D'Orazio Surname and DNA research
Tue Apr 10, 2012 9:11pm
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Vincent D'Orazio:
Hi, please excuse the intrusion. I'm adding to your D'Orazio posting due to my enthusiastic interest in DNA research.

I'm always happy to hear about someone testing their DNA or their parents DNA, etc. It goes along with paper record research. One never knows what the DNA will show until it's done. I hope that you and her brother have a Ydna match. It will be fun to find out.

I always thought they would find Greek DNA in my father's Ydna too and none is showing. My father is considered to be 100% Italian as both of his parents were born and married in the same small village in Southern Italy and had been there for many generations. In addition his maternal line has Catholic Church records in the village going back to the late 1500s.

My father tested with the full Comprehensive Genome at FTDNA. The results show his ancient ancestral heritage as 60% Middle Eastern and 40% Italian. After joining various Haplogroup studies the Univ.of Madrid contacted us for permission to include his mtDNA (mitochondrial) results in research they are doing. Apparently his mtdna is from ancient North African Caucasians (although not Berbers) who are pictured in drawings and painting from the old court of Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand as people with light eyes, light hair, fair skin and inhabiting the Canary Islands at that time - originally immigrating from the Fertile Crescent. These people then immigrated to Southern Italy and Southern France, This specific Haplogroup is still in many of the people in Southern Italy and Southern France.

Sadly, for genealogy nuts like me, compared to other Europeans and Americans, very few Italian men are testing their Ydna. My dad has a 67-Ydna match to a Spanish Ydna, another to a man in Turkey and another to someone in Southern France. I don’t engage in speculation with those showing less than 37 Ydna marker matches since basically it’s the world... especially at12 markers the list is endless and makes me believe... *truly* all men are the biblical Adam's distant cousins.

The Comprehensive Genome, which tested his mtdna, also tested the Family Finder and in both of those tests he has a fair number of matches to men and women with Italian Surnames or ancestors with Italian Surnames although many of them only tested via the FamilyFinder test.

Best wishes to you and the other D'Orazio testers.
Paula Nigro

P.s
You’ve probably already seen the Surname Distribution of your surname in Italy and I’m including it for Kim and her brother to go along with your good overview of surnames:

http://www.gens.labo.net/en/cognomi/genera.html?cognome=D'Orazio

http://www.gens.labo.net/en/cognomi/genera.html?cognome=Orazio

http://www.gens.labo.net/en/cognomi/genera.html?cognome=Di_Orazio

(the genslabo site recently changed format and now it's best to access it disabling activeX and scripts)

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D'Orazio Sur name — Vincent D'Orazio, Tue Apr 10 12:00am

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D'Orazio Surname — Kim Beals, Tue Apr 10 11:56am

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D'Orazio Surname — Anonymous, Tue Apr 10 7:22pm

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D'Orazio Surname — Kim Beals, Tue Apr 10 9:55pm

Hello Vincent, Thank you for your reply. I knew I was a bit shaky on Italian name meanings...lol Yes...I dearly want to get my brother's Y-DNA tested (hopefully this year). I am a D'Orazio by birth.... more
D'Orazio Surname and DNA research — Paula N, Tue Apr 10 9:11pm
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Hello Paula: Thank you for your post. I read with interest about your experience with DNA testing. The Palombo line I had tested in my family has no matches, even though he had the 67-marker test... more
Re: Y-DNA Testing — Paula Nigro, Thu Apr 12 3:40pm

Hi Kim, it’s great to learn of your interest. IMHO - You did the perfect marker test for guys; the 67markers. The good thing about the results at ftdna is that we can easily download for the future.... more
Y-DNA Testing — Kim Beals, Fri Apr 13 3:16pm

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Re: Y-DNA Testing — Paula Nigro, Sun Apr 15 3:26pm

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Y-DNA Testilng — Kim Beals, Fri Apr 20 1:26pm

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Re: Y-DNA Testilng — paula nigro, Fri Apr 20 4:20pm

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Lombard History / DNA testing — Paula Nigro, Sun Apr 15 1:51pm

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Dna research — Paula Nigro, Tue Apr 10 4:06pm

Hi, it's always good to learn of another Italian Genealogy researcher using DNA testing. I love it. It's very interesting. I also used FTDNA for my dad, my mother's brother, my mom and my husband.... more
DNA Follow-up — Kim Beals, Thu Oct 4 5:40pm

Hi Paula, I thought I would update you on my brother's YDNA test with FamilyTree (surname D'orazio). He is a Q1b1a! Remarkable. Italy seems to be quite diverse indeed! Take care, Kim
Re: DNA Follow-up — Paula Nigro, Fri Oct 5 8:33pm

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DNA Follow-up — Kim Beals, Sat Oct 6 10:51am

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Hi Kim, it’s always great to meet someone who is willing to be involved in scientific research rather than simply depending on family stories and paper research. Paper research will only take us so... more
DNA Follow-Up — Kim Beals, Sat Oct 6 3:49pm

Hi Paula, I understand about fb. I have seriously considered closing my account, but then, I would lose contact with acquaintances I normally wouldn't have contact with. What other... more
Our Surname — Vincent D'Orazio, Thu Oct 4 11:47pm

Kim: I'll bet your roots are Abruzzese. About 90% are. My roots are from Isola Liri, provincia Frosinone. We are close to Abruzzo. My YDNA showed that my roots are from Greece. They came to Italy... more
YDNA — Kim Beals, Fri Oct 5 12:18pm

Hello Vincent: Yes...our grandfather was born in Serramonacesca, Abruzzo, Italy. No....my brother's YDNA showed something entirely different. The Q Haplogroup originated in central Asia...around the... more
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