Bryan Hoggarth
John Young HOGGART
Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:17am (XFF:

Lance put a note on the Guestbook asking for information. A individual reply to him could be made but why keep it private. The point of a web site is to share information.

Lance said " Interested to find family link prior to my great grand father, John Young Hogarth died (74 yrs) 29 May 1924 (married Alice Redshaw 1869 Wellington NZ).

Offspring were Richard, Mabel, Jean, Ann, Francis, Margret, Alice, Elizabeth, William Ross (my grandfather), John Young and Mary Helen.

My Uncle Ross William and Father Francis Martin were only children of William Ross and Mary Harvey.

I have an older brother, Mark Francis, and younger sister, Gayleen.

Like to hear of any links prior to 1850 and a possible link back to UK."

The IGI is free to all and I found the following:
IGI has
John Young HOGGART, born 31 July 1849, bap 11 Sep 1849. Avoch, Ross & Cromarty, Scotland, to Richard HOGGART & Anne YOUNG. Batch 7607624. (The record is submitted by a member of the LDS rather that being the formal transcript of parish records which is sometimes iffy - but this one looks realistic)
Other baptisms in that batch number:
Deborah Sommers HOGGART, born 11 October 1847, baptised 18 Oct 1847 Avoch, Ross & Cromarty, Scotland to Richard HOGGART & Anne YOUNG.
Alexander Young HOGGART, born 10 Jul 1851, baptised 8 Aug 1851, Avoch, Ross & Cromarty, Scotland.

Also have marriage in IGI Richard HOGGART to Anne YOUNG 18 Dec 1846, Avoch, Ross & Cromarty Scotland, batch 7609839, sheet 09 Source call 1058315.

Again the record is “submitted”. If you contract the LDS they should be able to provide you with a copy of the original submission so you can see who was inputting the info. The chances are that they are descendents of James HOGGART & Anne YOUNG.

Using Ancestry (which is a paid for service):

1851 census for Avoch, Ross & Cromarty
Richard HOGGART age 27 Head born Beauly, Ross-Shire Occupation Tailor (master employing 4 Men)
Ann HOGGART age 23 Wife born Avoch, Ross-Shire
Deborah HOGGART age 3 Daughter born Avoch, Ross-Shire
John HOGGART age 1 Son born Avock, Ross-Shire
Alexander ROSS age 25 Journeyman born Inss, Inverness-Shire Occupation Tailor (journeyman)

I had a look for the family in 1861 but did not find them in Scotland. I expect records of the shipping to New Zealand or Australia may show when they emmigrated but I've little experience in such records.

Searching the IGI (look for Familysearch) for the baptisms of James HOGGART & Ann YOUNG may be fruitful.


    • Hoggart/hKaye Halls, Tue Oct 13 5:42am
      Richard & family (Ann, Deborah, John & Alexander)arrived in Victoria July 1853 on the Ganges Khan. His brother William & family had arrived in Victoria the year before. My link is Williams grandson... more
      • Richard HogarthLance Hogarth, Sun Dec 20 9:32pm
        Bryan Are you able to provide contact details for Kaye. I'm keen to hear more of the Willam and Richard Hogarth, Vic Australia Link. Once again many thanks for your assistance. Regards Lance Hogarth... more
        • Hoggart/h in VictoriaKaye Halls, Sun Dec 20 11:45pm
          Hi Bryan Email me and I will send a report on all I have on them. It starts with William born 1814 Avoch, Ross & Cromarty Merry Christmas Kaye Halls Victoria
          • Lance & Kaye contactBryan, Mon Dec 21 12:17am
            Kaye I do not know what your email is. I looked up Lance's email from his entry into the guest book back in March 2009 and it was l.w.hogarthŘ This is slightly modified to stop webots using ... more
            • Lance & Kaye contactRod, Mon Dec 21 8:39pm
              Hiya Bryan, If a contributor's name is shown in yellow at the top of a post, it means they've elected to show their email address - having ticked the "Show email address?" box. Thus, clicking on any... more
              • Email addressesBryan, Tue Dec 22 10:27pm
                Ta for the info Rod. Glad to see you're still with us. Merry Solstice etc. Lance & Kaye - It is Rod who does the geographically dispersed site family trees generally. Up to now I have only done the... more
            • William Ross Hoggart / Richard HoggartLance Hogarth, Mon Dec 21 4:28am
              Bryan Again many thanks Kaye has contacted me and sent thru her information which is significant in detail and i suspect it would sit well on you family tree page, I have sugested to her that she... more
    • Richard HOG*Bryan, Sat Mar 21 10:30am
      Thought I'd check for Richard in 1841 and this seems to be him. 1841 census for Scotland, High Street, Rosemarkie, Ross & Cromarty Richard HAGARTY age 16 Occupation AP He was in the household of John ... more
      • Black Isle YOUNGsBryan, Sun Mar 22 11:32am
        I was not going to bother with the family of Ann YOUNG who married a HOG* before heading off to the antipodies but I got curious. Seems like Ann's mother was Elizabeth (Elspet) SUTHERLAND who married ... more
        • Re: Black Isle YOUNGsAnonymous, Sun May 8 5:34am
          Hi Bryan, I made a comment earlier today about the 1841 census listed above having mistakes in it. The comment I made about the people actually not all living in the same house was correct but I... more
        • 1841 census AvochAnonymous, Sun May 8 1:41am
          Hi, There are a few errors in that 1841 Avoch census record. I have the original from Scotlands People and you can also check on the Free Census Project Online where the people are divided up into... more
          • Re: 1841 census AvochAnonymous, Sun May 8 5:36am
            Sorry I should have said the correct name is Leith not Seith in the census.
        • john younggreg smith, Tue Mar 19 7:41am
          John young who married elsbeth sutherland was a shoemaker in avoch and is buried in the church yard on the hill above the town. He was my great grt grt grt grandfather. He died in the early 1840s. A... more
        • Re: Black Isle YOUNGsgreg smith, Fri Mar 8 6:49am
          John young..who married elsbet sutherland is buried in the church yard above avoch. From memory he died abt 40 around 1833.
        • Greg SMITH & Black Isle HOGsBryan, Mon Mar 23 10:51am
          I had a feeling that I'd heard of HOG* people coming from the Black Isle before. I did a search (bottom right of the page) for "Black Isle" and came across this old entry into the Guestbook by Greg... more