Bryan Hoggarth
HOGGARDS of Barton le Willows
Sun Dec 15, 2013 2:22pm
86.144.42.36

Hi Michael,
You said "I am in search of the father of Henry Hoggard who married Hannah Humble on Nov 8th 1897 in Leeds who according to the marriage certificate would be a John Hoggard."

If you have a subscription to Ancestry or Findmypast then it should be simple to trace the family back to 1841 at least. You should also be able to get BMD certificates using Freebmd http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ and buying them from the GRO at £9.25 a go http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/. I mention this in case you are tempted to get them through Ancestry which costs twice as much.

Having said that it was actually quite hard to track Henry - I think he was born 5 or 6 years earlier than it would seem from the 1901 & 191 census records, and his father was very young, probably no married.

Details below. Bryan
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Looking in Ancestry for any Probate for Henry HOGGARD I have not found one for the elder Henry but this seems to be his son
1965 HOGGARD Henry of 2 Lascelles Lane Old Malton Yorkshire died 21 April 1964 at Malton Hospital Yorkshire Probate York 13 September to Thomas Henry HUDSON and Donald Ernest HOGGARTH and Gordon Henry HOGGARD Farmers, £2,583.

You said that Henry HOGGARD married Hannah HUMBLE in Leeds. On Ancestry it has marriages in the West Riding and the certificate says Henry the groom age 28 was a Drayman and his father was John HOGGARD a Labourer.

1901 census Rg13-4437 folio 130
26 Ashville St., Bootham, YKS
Henry HOGGARD Head Mar 31 Brewers Carter YKS Barton le Willows
Hannah do Wife Mar 29 YKS Pickering
Lucy HOGGARD Daur Unm 2 YKS Leeds
Henry do Son Unm 11mo YKS Flaxton

Finding Henry in earlier censuses was a bit tricky as Ancestry has his name indexed as HAGGARD and his age seems about 5 years older than said in the 1901 and 1901 censuses and at his marriage.

1891 census Rg12-3898 folio 25
Flaxton, YKS
John PALMER Head Mar 35 Farm labourer BRK Harwell
Mary do Wife Mar 36 YKS Barton le Willows
Henry HOGGARD nephew Unm 27 Farm Labourer YKS do

1881 census Rg11-4730 folio 36
Harton YKS
James BEALE Head Mar 41 Farmer of 96 acres employing 2 boys YKS Hartas
Ann A do Wife Mar 36 YKS East Acklam
Sarah A do Daur 12 Scholar YKS do
Thomas W do Son 8 do YKS do
James r do Son 4 YKS do
Henry HOGGARD Serv Unm 16 Farm Servant Indoor YKS Barton le Willows
John JENNINGS Serv 14 Farm Servant Indoor DUR Haverton Hill

1871 census Rg10-4827 folio 70
Barton, Barton le willows, YKS
John HOGGARD Head Mar 65 Ag Lab YKS Hutton's Ambro
Hannah do Wife Mar 61 YKS Westow
Henry do G. Son Unm 7 Scholar YKS Barton le Willows
Elizabeth do G. Daur 4 YKS do

So can we show that the age for Henry HOGGARD in 1901, 1911 and his marriage was about 6 years too young?

This is the probate for his widow which may help
1961 HOGGARD Hannah of 297 Eastgate Pickering YKS widow died 12 Nov 1960 at St. Marys Hospital Dean Road Scarborough Probate Wakefield 7 February to George Arthur HOGGARD foremen labourer. Effects £135 14s 11d.
Freebmd has the death
Deaths Dec 1960
HOGGARD Hannah 81 Scarboro' 1b 898
Which gives her dob as c. 1879 which fits.

There are two deaths for Henry which have the right sort of age.
Deaths Jun 1933
Hoggard Henry 62 York 9d 18

Deaths Jun 1942
Hoggard Henry 77 Scarbro' 9d 387

If the 1942 death is of the right Henry then it confirms he was born about 1865 rather than 1870.

If we can locate the father of Tom Winter HOGGARD then he is the brother of Henry HOGGARD and that may locate the father of Henry.

1901 census Rg13-4530 folio 147vs
55 Cambridge St., Scarborough
Robt HOGGARD Head Mar 42 Carter Local Board YKS Barton le Willows
??th do Wife Mar 43 YKS Cloughton (1891 census shows her name was Elizabeth)
Alice do Daur Unm 13 YKS Scarbor.
Tom do son Unm 8 YKS do

1861 census Rg9-3628 folio 69
Barton le Willows, YKS
John HOGGETT Head Mar 56 Farm Labourer YKS Huttons Ambo
Han'h do Wife 51 YKS Waston?
James do son 9 YKS Barton le Willows
Mary do Daur 6 YKS do
Robt do Grandson 2 YKS do
(Note this is the same grandparents as had the Grandson Henry in 1871)

So did this John HOGGARD born about 1804 in Huttons Ambo have a son called John?

1851 census Ho107-2369 folio 750
Barton le Willows
John HOGGARD Head Mar 47 Farm Labourer YKS Hutton Ambo
Hannah do Wife Mar 42 YKS Westow
Jane do Daur unm 18 YKS Barton le W
Ann do Daur 11 Scholar YKS do
John do Son 7 do YKS do
Hannah do Daur 5 do YKS do
Charlotte do Daur 2 YKS do

So there we have John the father of Robert and Henry who must have had Robert when he was only 15 years old. Odd but possible.

So next thing to look for is John HOGGARD born about 1843 in Barton le Willows.
1861 census Rg9-3622 folio 40
Willerby, YKS
John FRANKISH Head Mar 40 Farmer 600 acres YKS Foxholes
his family
John HOGGARTH Serv Unm 18 Pl. Boy YKS Barton

1881 census Rg11-4802 folio 62
1 Durham Cottgs, Scarborough
John HOGGART Head Mar 37 Labre Barton le Willows
Charlotte do Wife Mar 35 Driffield
George do Son 16 Farm Servant do
Sarah Ann do daur 14 Servant Scarborough
Tom do Son 12 Scholar Scarborough
Lizzie? do Daur 10 Scholar Scarborough
Charlotte do Daur 7 Scholar Scarborough
Robt do Son 5 Scholar Scarborough
John do Son 3months Scarborough

1901 census Rg13-4529 folio 74
54 Durham St. Scarborough
John HOGGART Head Mar 55 Builders Carter YKS Barton le Willows
Mary do Wife Mar 41 YKS Scalby
Edmund do Son Unm 14 Billard? Maker YKS Scarborough

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