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reilly and condon
Mon Jul 31, 2017 11:43

Reilly must have sensed that Condon knew more than he let on, specifically that the kidnapping was a mob operation, not a lone-wolf escapade by Hauptmann. Not that Reilly was particularly perceptive, but common sense dictates that Jafsie wasn't an idealistic father figure overflowing with compassion for the Lindberghs.

Consider...a kidnapping takes place in Central New Jersey, closer to Philadelphia than New York. The kidnapper(s) could have come from anywhere, but Jafsie decides to post a notice in a local Bronx newspaper with a low circulation. He strikes gold! Now ask yourself...what were the odds that a kidnapper somewhere in the Northeast would be reading the Bronx Home News? The odds were astronomical, unless Jafsie knew about an active plot in the Bronx.

Fast forward to Sept. 1934. Hauptmann is arrested. Jafsie is asked to identify him as Cemetery John, but Jafsie hesitates, hems and haws and invokes a semantical argument about the difference between "making" an identification and "declaring" one. Meanwhile, he tells FBI Agent Leon Turrou, "My live won't be worth five cents" (if I name Hauptmann as Cemetery John). Does Jafsie mean that Hauptmann, from behind bars, could hurt him? Of course not. It means, "That mob I was aware of that pulled the kidnapping would wipe me out in a heartbeat and leave my sick wife to fend for herself as a widow."

Now fast forward to Jan. 1935. Thanks to Dr. Quack, Dudley Schonfeld, Wilentz has decided that Hauptmann was a lone-wolf kidnapper all along. The mob angle vanishes. Jafsie breathes a sigh of relief, identifies Hauptmann as Cemetery John with typical Condonesque flair, and exits stage right. Case closed.

  • What Reilly Might Have KnownSue, Fri Jul 28 13:01
    If Ed Reilly "had" any thing on John Condon, I wonder how that would have influenced the Lindbergh case? For some good reasons, Reilly might have decided to "not go down that road."
    • reilly and condon — bob mills for sue and forum, Mon Jul 31 11:43
      • Unruly Comments AboveJack, Tue Aug 15 06:20
        First of all a public apology is called for to the Schonfeld family for the above post. He was a thoroughly professional M.D. and psychiatrist who donated his time towards solving the greatest crime... more
        • unruly comments?bob mills for jack, Wed Aug 16 15:59
          Jack, I presume you're referring to my choice of words when I called Schonfeld a "quack." Schonfeld never once met Hauptmann. He never spoke to him on the telephone. Yet he drew a mental picture of a ... more
          • RespectJack, Thu Aug 17 06:28
            I would think that you, Bob Mills, who in the past have been in a position which deserved respect, though perhaps not any more, would think before you tossed unfavorable and of course ridiculous... more
            • respect?bob mills for jack, Thu Aug 17 10:18
              Professionals, Jack? Does the term "professional" automatically attach to someone in a profession? Or should the word be reserved for those who ACT professional? I think most people would prefer the... more
        • Re: Unruly Comments AboveGuest, Wed Aug 16 13:40
          Jack, Jack, Jack, what are we to do with you? Me thinks you need to go back to that bowling ally and get your as●●● kicked again,,,, JMHO
          • BAJack, Thu Aug 17 06:21
            Nothing happened at the bowling alley. I wonder if you commenters even read the posts. I told a guy I'd bowl him one game for $ 500 and wouldn't take his check. Would you? If you would you're pretty... more
      • Condon & the Bronx Home NewsSue for Bob Mills, Mon Jul 31 22:28
        Perhaps Jafsie DID know of an active plot in the Bronx. After all... Condon was known as "The Grand Old Man of the Bronx." The Bronx News was a paper that ONLY dealt with news that came out of the... more
        • accuracyAnonymous, Sun Aug 20 15:55
          "Condon's [verbal] statement was soon published in the Bronx Home News." Condon's "statement" was actually a Letter to the (Ass't) Editor (Coleman) of the BHN (whom he knew personally). He had... more
        • coincidencesbob mills for sue and forum, Tue Aug 1 12:28
          "If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, etc..." Sue, you've done far more research than I have on the LKC. But what first drew me to the case were the amazing "coincidences" that surrounded ... more
          • Re: coincidencessteve for bob, Thu Aug 3 09:42
            hi bob I have the fbi files on baker I think he was cleared
            • baker, geissler, and myra condonbob mills for steve and forum, Mon Aug 7 12:32
              Steve, my understanding is that they couldn't prove Baker laundered the money because the bank teller couldn't remember what "J./J. Faulkner" looked like (or was afraid to get involved). Then it... more
              • correctionbob mills for steve and forum, Mon Aug 7 12:57
                Upon checking my notes I find that Carl Geissler actually worked with Ralph Hacker, Jafsie Condon't son-in-law. Hacker was married to Myra (nee Condon). Sorry for the error.
    • Re: What Reilly Might Have Knownsteve for sue, Mon Jul 31 09:42
      he should have
      • JFC and coincidencesRichard E Sloan, Tue Aug 1 22:42
        Those "co-inkeedinks" that Bob points out are the things that keep me and others fascinated by the case. I am sure an awful lot was covered up. One of the biggest puzzles is how JFC and Bruno were... more
        • baker and ellersonbob mills for richard and forum, Wed Aug 2 04:49
          Richard, Joyce Milton's book "Loss of Eden" connected Duane Baker and Charles Henry Ellerson and "Sha-Toe," the speakeasy in Fort Lee where they were seen drinking together. Baker was superintendent... more
          • Ellerson-Baker-SharperICHARD sLOAN, Wed Aug 2 08:46
            s-o-o intriguing.Thanx for the source. Now to ask where SHE got that! I'll see if "Loss of Eden" is footnoted.
            • Re: Ellerson-Baker-SharpeJoe for Richard, Thu Aug 3 12:29
              Richard, there is in fact, far less to connect Baker (real name Bacon) and Ellerson, than Bob has asserted here. I'm not stating they did not know each other, but what we have to date, is a lack of... more
              • baker and ellersonbob mills for joe and richard, Thu Aug 3 15:56
                Let me weigh in here. I haven't read Joyce Milton's book in years, but I do recall that she cited Baker (Bacon) as having succeeded Ellerson at Armour. He took over Ellerson's job as a driver. The... more
                • Re: baker and ellersonJoe for Bob, Fri Aug 4 11:30
                  Bob, as you're probably aware, some caution should always be exercised around the FBI files, which were often augmented with unverified information and newspaper accounts. Many holes were also filled ... more
                  • she-toebob mills for joe, Fri Aug 4 12:39
                    Joe, I might have ascribed to Milton information that appeared elsewhere. If so, I'll have to concede your point. I'm positive that both Baker and Ellerson were cited by an authoritative source as... more
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