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bob mills for sue
schonfeld and the goldwater rule
Fri Jan 12, 2018 03:39

Sue, I wasn't questioning Hauptmann's sanity. I don't know of anyone who thinks Hauptmann was nuts. The issue for me was, "How did Hauptmann suddenly become a lone-wolf kidnapper, when every cop on the beat, every FBI agent, and everyone in the Lindbergh family knew it was a gang operation?" Sorry for the misunderstanding here.

It's clear from all the evidence that whatever the extent of Hauptmann's guilt, he didn't act alone. Before Wilentz spoke to Schonfeld, this was taken for granted. But Schonfeld, from his ivory tower office in New York, drew a mental picture for Wilentz of an Aryan who thought he could accomplish anything, and not be held accountable. Based largely on Schonfeld's opinion, the idea of a gang evanesced, and Hauptmann became a lone-wolf kidnapper. I was heavily criticized on the forum for suggesting that Schonfeld had acted irresponsibly, but the Goldwater Rule would support my position, because it was established as a code of ethics by others in the psychiatric field.

What about Capone's offer to return the Eaglet? Would Capone have made such an offer if Hauptmann had acted alone? Of course not, because Capone wouldn't have known who Hauptmann was. Capone wouldn't have gotten a get-out-of-jail-free card, he'd have gotten additional time in the slammer for obstruction of justice. He wasn't that stupid.

What about the fact that Hauptmann wandered around the Bronx for 2-1/2 years, never disguising himself, while every cop on the beat had Cemetery John's description but never, even once, stopped Hauptmann for questioning? Doesn't that show clearly that Hauptmann was not Cemetery John? If he were not Cemetery John, then by definition he didn't act alone.

  • Re: the goldwater ruleSue, Thu Jan 11 22:34
    Four psychiatrists examined Hauptmann, and concluded he was sane to stand trial.
    • schonfeld and the goldwater rule — bob mills for sue, Fri Jan 12 03:39
      • Re: schonfeld and the goldwater ruleMichael 5260, Sat Jan 13 12:07
        Hauptmann wasn't nuts. Not in the legal sense. He knew right from wrong and had many opportunities on the night of the kidnapping to turn his car around and go home. He choose not to do so. Dudley... more
        • Man's name is Dudley Shoenfeld (nm)Sam, Sun Jan 14 13:27
        • what were the odds?bob mills for michael, Sun Jan 14 07:48
          Michael, the Goldwater Rule wouldn't have applied to Schonfeld in any legal sense. Obviously, it came 40 years too late. I had (years) earlier made the case that Schonfeld had acted unprofessionally... more
          • Re: what were the odds?Michael 5260, Sun Jan 14 11:41
            Schonfeld didn't personally examine or analyze Hauptmann. He examined and analyzed the contents of the ransom notes and developed a profile of the kidnapper. I can't fault Schonfeld for giving a... more
      • The Sanity Of Hauptmannjdb, Sat Jan 13 02:54
        My thoughts on Schonfeld are conflicted, Bob. His book on the LKC is brilliant for what it is, and there are flashes on insight that "catch" Hauptmann, in a manner of speaking, in their brilliance.... more
        • hauptmann and Schönfeldbob mills for jdb, Mon Jan 15 09:53
          Thanks, John. I agree with you, and with Michael Melsky, that Hauptmann was sane. My comments about Schonfeld weren't in regard to his competence, rather to his professional ethics. Granted that the... more
          • It's Just As Welljdb, Mon Jan 15 18:21
            It's just as well there's the Goldwater rule, although without it we might have been "spared" (for those of us who don't like him) President Donald Trump. I don't like terms like "pathological... more
            • trump and the goldwater rulebob mills for jdb, Tue Jan 16 09:32
              The New York Times article I cited mentioned the Goldwater Rule in the context of the question, "Is Trump sane?" It never cited Scho(e)nfeld or Hauptmann, but i made the connection here. I hear you... more
              • Politics & Sanityjdb, Tue Jan 16 15:52
                Sadly, Bob. the American political process has become unhinged. It's always been problematical, and yet it's become near unmanageable; and it's not even fun to follow anymore. We're in a near... more
                • 21st century politics, and wilentzbob mills for jdb, Tue Jan 16 18:59
                  Thanks, John. Wilentz conducted a brutal prosecution of Hauptmann. It was the 1936 Berlin Olympics in reverse...a Jewish American prosecutor engaging in a vendetta against an Aryan defendant, with... more
                  • correctionbob mills for forum, Mon Jan 22 13:37
                    Allow me to correct a misstatement in this posting. Sean Wilentz is a professor at Princeton, but he is not David Wilentz' grandson. Otherwise the posting is accurate in claiming that David Wilentz... more
                    • Much Appreciatedjdb, Mon Jan 22 15:00
                      Your correction is much appreciated, Bob. By me anyway. I have to wonder, though, just how many people there are in New Jersey named Wilentz who are NOT related to David. It's not a common name but I ... more
                  • Painfuljdb, Tue Jan 16 19:22
                    It was a painful election, Bob. Maybe the most excruciating for me at a personal level as I intensely disliked both candidates, and for different reasons. I can't even remember who I voted for except ... more
                    • flawed justicebob mills for jdb and forum, Thu Jan 18 12:33
                      You and I are on the same page here, John. I thought of the LKC while reading an article in today's New York Times that cited the state of Louisiana for the many times its state attorney refused to... more
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