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Michael 5260
Re: schonfeld and the goldwater rule
Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:07

Hauptmann wasn't nuts. Not in the legal sense. He knew right from wrong and had many opportunities on the night of the kidnapping to turn his car around and go home. He choose not to do so.

Dudley Schonfeld's offender profile of the ransom note writer was fairly accurate. He was not the first criminal profiler.

In 1888 Dr. Thomas Bond developed an offender profile of Jack the Ripper. Nothing came of it.

In 1912 there was a profile on serial killer John Frank Hickey that helped lead to his arrest. After he confessed to the killings he committed suicide.

In 1956 an offender profile was done on the Mad Bomber of Manhattan by James Brussel. It took sixteen years to
capture George Metesky. The psychological profile led the investigators to him.

Today we have the FBI Behavioral Science Unit that develops offender profiles on unknown subjects. This is only one tool that can be used in an investigation when the evidence is sparse.

It isn't clear to me that all the evidence proves that Hauptmann didn't act alone when he committed the kidnapping. There are many theories, exaggerations, and warping of evidence that are applied to this kidnapping case. When scientific method is applied to them they go up in smoke.

As far as the Goldwater Rule, I do not see how a ruling made in the future can have a bearing on Schonfeld. A person has to work with what you have at the time. This was 1932.

Capone's offer to return the Eaglet? I imagine he would have conducted his search in Sicily and kept on searching in Sicily. Once he was there the US government would have had a hard time extraditing him. Hey, drinking wine and eating pasta in Sicily is highly preferable to doing hard time in prison. As you said Bob, Capone wasn't that stupid.

Hauptmann wearing a disguise? I think this would certainly have caught Anna's attention and the attention of Hauptmann's neighbors. There was no reason, in Hauptmann's mind, to sneak around the Bronx wearing a disguise. He had a high level of confidence that his crime was successful. The more time that went by without being caught the safer Hauptmann would have been feeling. He went about his life as if nothing had happened. It was the smart thing to do.

One time Willie "the actor" Sutton broke out of prison and went on the run. Where did he hide? In an apartment house right next door to a police station

I never thought the police drawing of the perpetrator was that good. It must have not been that good. After Hauptmann was picked up you had people running around finding men that looked similar to the police drawing. See, see, we found a schlub in Hoboken that looks like the police drawing. Ergo, Hauptmann is innocent. Wow.

  • schonfeld and the goldwater rulebob mills for sue, Fri Jan 12 03:39
    Sue, I wasn't questioning Hauptmann's sanity. I don't know of anyone who thinks Hauptmann was nuts. The issue for me was, "How did Hauptmann suddenly become a lone-wolf kidnapper, when every cop on... more
    • Re: schonfeld and the goldwater rule — Michael 5260, Sat Jan 13 12:07
      • Man's name is Dudley Shoenfeld (nm)Sam, Sun Jan 14 13:27
      • what were the odds?bob mills for michael, Sun Jan 14 07:48
        Michael, the Goldwater Rule wouldn't have applied to Schonfeld in any legal sense. Obviously, it came 40 years too late. I had (years) earlier made the case that Schonfeld had acted unprofessionally... more
        • Re: what were the odds?Michael 5260, Sun Jan 14 11:41
          Schonfeld didn't personally examine or analyze Hauptmann. He examined and analyzed the contents of the ransom notes and developed a profile of the kidnapper. I can't fault Schonfeld for giving a... more
    • The Sanity Of Hauptmannjdb, Sat Jan 13 02:54
      My thoughts on Schonfeld are conflicted, Bob. His book on the LKC is brilliant for what it is, and there are flashes on insight that "catch" Hauptmann, in a manner of speaking, in their brilliance.... more
      • hauptmann and Schönfeldbob mills for jdb, Mon Jan 15 09:53
        Thanks, John. I agree with you, and with Michael Melsky, that Hauptmann was sane. My comments about Schonfeld weren't in regard to his competence, rather to his professional ethics. Granted that the... more
        • It's Just As Welljdb, Mon Jan 15 18:21
          It's just as well there's the Goldwater rule, although without it we might have been "spared" (for those of us who don't like him) President Donald Trump. I don't like terms like "pathological... more
          • trump and the goldwater rulebob mills for jdb, Tue Jan 16 09:32
            The New York Times article I cited mentioned the Goldwater Rule in the context of the question, "Is Trump sane?" It never cited Scho(e)nfeld or Hauptmann, but i made the connection here. I hear you... more
            • Politics & Sanityjdb, Tue Jan 16 15:52
              Sadly, Bob. the American political process has become unhinged. It's always been problematical, and yet it's become near unmanageable; and it's not even fun to follow anymore. We're in a near... more
              • 21st century politics, and wilentzbob mills for jdb, Tue Jan 16 18:59
                Thanks, John. Wilentz conducted a brutal prosecution of Hauptmann. It was the 1936 Berlin Olympics in reverse...a Jewish American prosecutor engaging in a vendetta against an Aryan defendant, with... more
                • correctionbob mills for forum, Mon Jan 22 13:37
                  Allow me to correct a misstatement in this posting. Sean Wilentz is a professor at Princeton, but he is not David Wilentz' grandson. Otherwise the posting is accurate in claiming that David Wilentz... more
                  • Much Appreciatedjdb, Mon Jan 22 15:00
                    Your correction is much appreciated, Bob. By me anyway. I have to wonder, though, just how many people there are in New Jersey named Wilentz who are NOT related to David. It's not a common name but I ... more
                    • distant cousin, maybe?bob mills for jdb, Tue Jan 23 14:31
                      It's quite remarkable, John. I first read about Sean Wilentz years ago (can't remember the source), and I'm sure the writer cited a family connection. You'd think someone named "Wilentz" in New... more
                • Painfuljdb, Tue Jan 16 19:22
                  It was a painful election, Bob. Maybe the most excruciating for me at a personal level as I intensely disliked both candidates, and for different reasons. I can't even remember who I voted for except ... more
                  • flawed justicebob mills for jdb and forum, Thu Jan 18 12:33
                    You and I are on the same page here, John. I thought of the LKC while reading an article in today's New York Times that cited the state of Louisiana for the many times its state attorney refused to... more
                    • Whited and HochmuthRichard E Sloan, Sun Jan 21 14:08
                      The obviously perjured testimony of those two should have been enough to have Wilentz censured. But Lindy's own ID of Bruno's voice after so long a time swayed the jury right at the outset. They may... more
                    • The Trialjdb, Sat Jan 20 23:54
                      Thanks, Bob. The LKC trial was a travesty, and Edward Reilly's conduct reprehensible. It's appalling what's permitted sometimes in our criminal justice system, and while it appears to be improved... more
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