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Joe
Re: Fake Kidnapping
Tue Jul 24, 2018 07:22
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I have no idea how you'd accomplish a fake kidnapping Jack, especially at that level, and given the cast of characters who obviously would have had to have chosen to flush their good names, family reputations, careers and ethics and values down the toilet. Those who do believe it also point to Lindbergh's power and seeming invincibility, that he was somehow capable of doing anything. After all, look at what he did in 1927. Much easier said than done, especially when you're trying to operate on the other side of the mirror. And after 85+ years, despite the mountain of information generated within this case, very little of which is actually relevant, not a shred of evidence to support the notion.

  • Fake KidnappingJack, Tue Jul 24 00:32
    How would you do a fake kidnapping? And what would be the motive. If it's to get rid of Charlie there are lots of easy ways to do it, and legal too. After all these years of questioning the crime,... more
    • Re: Fake Kidnapping — Joe, Tue Jul 24 07:22
      • faking a kidnappingbob mills for joe and forum, Tue Jul 24 10:21
        Again, Joe, I agree with you that the Eaglet's kidnapping wasn't faked. But to play devil's advocate for a moment, I'd say it was barely possible. If we assume the Eaglet was already dead, then to... more
        • Re: faking a kidnappingJoe for Bob Mills, Tue Jul 24 11:20
          Those are all valid points, Bob. I think the most difficult issue to overcome though, would have been the essential collaboration of the players systematically disposing of a beautiful and very much... more
          • ruling out a faked kidnappingbob mills for joe, Tue Jul 24 13:10
            I think that's especially true for Anne, Joe. Betty Gow? Possibly. Anne? No way. A mother doesn't help a villainous husband cover up the killing of her son, even if it were accidental, then stay... more
            • Re: ruling out a faked kidnappingJoe for Bob Mills, Wed Jul 25 10:42
              Bob, it was far more than the ransom money that convinced the jury Hauptmann was very much involved. The other physical circumstantial evidence against him is inarguable in that regard and remember... more
            • CJjack, Tue Jul 24 16:19
              Except that both Condon and Lindbergh identified Hauptmann as being Cemetery John. Lindbergh certainly understood the gravity of his identification and was not known to be a liar. Lindbergh was in... more
              • COndon's and Lindy's identification of BrunoRichard Sloan, Wed Jul 25 10:18
                I believe Hauptmann was at least in on the kidnapping, even if he wasn't he actual kidnapper. But you know darn well that a lot of stunts were pulled by the prosecution to convict him, even though I... more
                • why jafsie identified hauptmannbob mills for richard and forum, Thu Jul 26 10:35
                  Wilentz might well have pressured Jafsie Condon as you suggest, Richard. But for me, the difference between Jafsie's failure to ID Hauptmann at the lineup, and his emphatic ID in court, is one simple ... more
                  • #1Jack, Thu Jul 26 14:21
                    But in spite of being PE#1 for years the police never picked him up or showed any interest in him. He wound up goofing himself up. Condon's I.D. was so general that it fit about anybody. Shouldn't... more
                    • what cemetery john fearedbob mills for jack, Fri Jul 27 12:45
                      "Condon's ID was so general that it fit about anybody." I don't necessarily agree with that. But it doesn't matter. What matters is that whoever Cemetery John was, he had to have ASSUMED Jafsie... more
                  • identifying Bruno, for Bob and forumRichard Sloan, Thu Jul 26 11:52
                    I tend to agree with you, Bob that Condon feared reprisal if he identified Hauptmann. However he HAD identify other men, who later turned out to have strong alibis. It prompts me to wonder a.) why... more
                    • jafsie and the lineupbob mills for richard and forum, Fri Jul 27 12:59
                      I agree that Jafsie wasn't part of the gang, Richard, if only because when lecturing on the case at a nursing home in Connecticut years ago, I met an elderly woman who had attended the school where... more
                  • Re: why jafsie identified hauptmannJoe for Bob Mills, Thu Jul 26 11:09
                    I believe Condon was truly concerned for his safety within the prospect of having to identify CJ, as the prevalent opinion at that point that there were more participants in the crime than Hauptmann. ... more
                    • what the mob knew, and didn't knowbob mills for joe and forum, Fri Jul 27 10:18
                      Joe, if Hauptmann had been an active member of a gang hired by Capone, then when the gang screwed up his life would have been in danger, yes. For that very reason, I would argue that he was NOT an... more
                • Re: COndon's and Lindy's identification of BrunoJoe for Richard, Wed Jul 25 12:39
                  Richard, I don't know about the voice ID by Lindbergh, but I would say his senses were probably on high alert that night. I don't believe Condon had much in the way of doubts but he truly resented... more
                  • more on JFC 's and CAL's ID's of BrunoRichard Sloan, Wed Jul 25 12:56
                    Regardless of being on "high alert," Lindy's hearing was impaired, thanks to the noises of flying in the old planes. He didn't even think he could identify the voice. Foley asked him to try. His... more
              • evidencejack, Tue Jul 24 16:23
                You bring up evidence - there is absolutely no evidence of Charlie being accidentally or intentionally killed and the kidnapping a cover up. After 85 years of digging, no evidence!
                • Re: evidenceJoe for Jack, Wed Jul 25 12:42
                  It's been a house of cards for over 85 years. It just keeps getting bigger with fancier window dressing..
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