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Michael 5260
Re: David Bari
Sat Aug 18, 2018 13:19

I doubt very much that Osborn would have said David Bari wrote all the Lindbergh ransom notes if the police had found ransom money hidden in his garage, closet, or anywhere else.

Osborn warned against this kind of thinking in 1910 and again in 1929:

"Avoid in influence of opinion of either friendship, or antipathy, or any matters of influences of any kind outside of the actual document itself".

Osborn spent his life as an ethical examiner. A person does not throw away decades of building a reputation for competence and honesty and then flush it down the toilet just to appease the police or giving into the demand of others.

Osborn should have also warned about "pushy" people. I've encountered my share of them over the years. These are the kind of people that demand an opinion without any kind of an examination. They will demand a Letter of Opinion, for a few bucks, that is favorable to their case. They will tell you their conclusion and try to coerce you into having the same conclusion as they do. I always blew them off immediately.

Malone/Myers either examined the handwritings in the Lindbergh case or they did not. As far as I know they did not. When you stop to think about it when Fisher told them he didn't have $500 to pay them why would they bother to examine the documents? They shouldn't have been saying anything to the papers either. This is what happens with stupid people.

Malone and Myers were both graphologists which makes them unqualified to give a handwriting opinion in court. When you have a high profile case it will bring cockroaches out of the woodwork.

  • Re: David BariMichael, Sat Aug 18 09:52
    Well not really... They always tried to trace a bill and looked at whoever it may have passed through. The handwriting in connection to the bill was what made them more closely look at this guy. My... more
    • Re: David Bari — Michael 5260, Sat Aug 18 13:19
      • Michael 5260 re: David BariTanialee, Sat Sep 8 19:16
        Hi All.I've been out of the loop due to concentrating on another high profile case plus life's little ins and outs. As a certified handwriting analyst, I have to agree with what you've said here. I... more
      • Re: David BariMichael, Sat Aug 18 14:43
        We'll have to agree to disagree about what Osborn would have done.... Malone was a handwriting expert for over 32 years by that date and had testified in court as one many times in multiple states.... more
        • Re: David BariMichael 5260, Sun Aug 19 11:33
          It's okay for us to disagree about what Osborn would have done if loads of Lindbergh ransom had been found with David Bari. Since that did not happen the issue is moot. I just wanted to point out... more
          • Re: David BariMichael, Sun Aug 19 13:20
            I don't want to get into a back and forth so I'll say my last about Malone in this post. Yes, he was a Penman. He was also an Artist. And lastly, he was a Handwriting Expert who was qualified as one... more
            • Re: David BariMichael 5260, Sun Aug 19 16:52
              In the early days it wasn't difficult to be qualified by the courts as an expert witness on handwriting. This left the door wide open for people that had no qualifications at all to testify in court... more
              • Re: David BariMichael , Mon Aug 20 08:45
                Do you know how many "Experts" would eventually claim to believe Fisch wrote the notes - and who they were?
                • FIschRichard Sloan, Tue Aug 21 10:10
                  Wish we had more samples of Fisch's handwriting.
                  • Re: FIschMichael For Richard, Tue Aug 21 11:29
                    Try this sample up close by clicking the magnifier:
                    • Michael for Richard: FischTanialee , Sat Sep 8 19:28
                      My goodness I've been looking for samples of Fisch's writing ever since I joined this forum,years ago. How you obtained it, well I don't know but kudos to you. I find it a fascinating piece of... more
                • Re: David BariMichael 5260, Mon Aug 20 17:28
                  Trendley was supposed to have told his family that he was convinced that Fisch wrote the ransom notes. That is what his family supposedly told reporters that were clamoring around Trendley's house. I ... more
                • Re: David BariAnonymous, Mon Aug 20 15:20
                  Braunlich, Trendley, Goodspeed and Julia Farr who all examined the notes on 1/12/1935 under State Police guard in a Hotel in Trenton, N.J.
                  • Re: David BariMichael For Anonymous, Tue Aug 21 12:03
                    While I know that Braunlich and Goodspeed, both Handwriting Experts, believed the letters were altered and were prepared to testify that Hauptmann did not write the notes ... I've never seen where... more
                    • Re: David BariAnonymous, Tue Aug 21 13:32
                      Michael, An April 4, 1977 N.Y. Times article by Peter Kihss about an interview with then 79 year old Hilda Zaenglein Braunlich in Clearwater, Florida discusses her views on the Hauptmann handwriting. ... more
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