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Michael 5260
Re: Hauptmann v. Kloppenburg
Thu Aug 23, 2018 10:22
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What are the "givens" that you do not agree with?

I do not know positively whether or not Hauptmann was coached when he was writing his exemplars. It is not wise to begin a handwriting examination with any kind of assumption. I do know there was no handwriting wizard present at the police station that could have instructed him how to write like the ransom note writer.

We can factor in that Hauptmann was trying to avoid his natural writing style. When your suspect is the writer of the anonymous writing you can expect this to happen. It is a natural reaction because they are stupid. This is why you compare the writing samples to one another. If you observe an inconsistency between the writing samples you know the writer is screwing around with their handwriting.

Hauptmann was attempting to change his handwriting when he wrote the request writings. He failed. He tried to disguise his handwriting in the ransom notes. He failed. There are finite methods a writer will use to disguise their handwriting and they resort to them to this day. When you know what they are you know what to look for when a writer tries to disguise their handwriting.

By comparing Hauptmann's handwriting to Kloppenburg's handwriting you are only looking for similarities and differences so you will see for yourself the similarities and differences in their German immigrant handwriting. There are no special circumstances to contend with when you do the comparison.

You can obtain first generation photocopies of Kloppenburg's handwriting at the archives for free.

I think telling you what I see is inconsequential. It is what you see that matters. There is no substitute for actually doing the work yourself, making you own handwriting charts, in your own way. This is a very simple academic exercise and there is nothing like having your own work right in front of you.

By the way, we are not scouring for letters we "like" or "dislike". We are placing "words" written by Hauptmann and the same "words" written by Kloppenburg side-by-side. All of them. There is no special selection process. Take one exemplar written by Hauptmann(the most legible) and one exemplar written by Kloppenburg(the most legible). This will keep the work manageable.

  • Re: Hauptmann v. KloppenburgMichael, Thu Aug 23 08:14
    But all things are not equal here. You see, you've laid out some "givens" below by which we are to proceed that I do not agree with. Hauptmann was definitely coached during his exemplars. Perhaps not ... more
    • Re: Hauptmann v. Kloppenburg — Michael 5260, Thu Aug 23 10:22
      • Re: Hauptmann v. KloppenburgMichael, Thu Aug 23 17:00
        The "givens" I disagree with: They were both under suspicion by the police. They both wrote under the same writing conditions. In a police station while the writing was dictated to them. Kloppenburg... more
        • Re: Hauptmann v. KloppenburgMichael 5260, Thu Aug 23 20:04
          Hauptmann and Kloppenburg were both in the same police station and both had the same test paragraph dictated to them. This isn't the same writing conditions? How so? If Kloppenburg wasn't under... more
          • Re: Hauptmann v. KloppenburgMichael, Fri Aug 24 08:31
            Once Kloppenburg got tired of writing did the Police whack him with a nightstick? No. But Hauptmann was. He was falling asleep and he'd get a knock on the ribs and told to write. It that a good... more
            • Re: Hauptmann v. KloppenburgMichael 5260, Fri Aug 24 11:44
              Hauptmann was told how to spell certain words. Where does this come from? Out of Hauptmann's own mouth. This is like believing Jodi Arias killed Travis Alexander in self-defense. We are supposed to... more
              • Re: Hauptmann v. KloppenburgMichael, Fri Aug 24 12:36
                I've been researching it for 18 years now. No one on the planet has logged more time at the Archives than I have with the exception of Mark Falzini. My files on the handwriting are enormous and I am... more
                • Re: Hauptmann v. KloppenburgMichael 5260, Fri Aug 24 15:32
                  If you have enormous files on the handwriting you should have reached a solid conclusion about Hauptmann's handwriting. You have been looking at this junk for 18 years and you still do not have a... more
                  • Re: Hauptmann v. KloppenburgMichael, Sat Aug 25 08:45
                    You are kinda all over the place... "If" I have? Listen, if any files were ever damaged at the Archives you can rest easy in knowing that copies can be made from my collection to replace them. Also... more
                    • NewseumRichard Sloan, Sun Aug 26 13:15
                      DOes anyone here know what the Newseum in DC has pert. to the case?
                    • Re: Hauptmann v. KloppenburgMichael 5260, Sat Aug 25 12:25
                      Okay, let's simplify things. In the next to last ransom note there is only one, only one, word misspelled. We can see that "south" is spelled "soud." That's it. All the other words in the ransom note ... more
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