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Re: Hauptmann v. Kloppenburg
Thu Aug 23, 2018 17:00

The "givens" I disagree with:

They were both under suspicion by the police.

They both wrote under the same writing conditions. In a police station while the writing was dictated to them.

Kloppenburg was not under the same suspicion as Hauptmann was. They were not under the "same" writing conditions. We do know the dictations were not done the way they were supposed to be done as it related to Hauptmann.


I like the idea there should not be any assumptions. But I cannot un-ring a bell. I've seen all the documentation there is to see and there's no way I can wall that off. Next, you seem to be making a HUGE assumption yourself by "expecting" someone to "avoid" their natural style - aren't you?

So you already have a ready made explanation for something that might have a different cause.

Here's what we know.... The Ransom Note writer had at least TWO disguises. And he was "unique" wasn't he? He did something that Osborn said suspects could not do. He remembered his disguises from one note to the next. Osborn claimed, as you seem to do as well, that suspects couldn't remember from one exemplar to the next - in the same sitting. Heck, I assume you'll point to the differences in Hauptmann's exemplars to "prove" this right?

Yet, the Kidnapper remembered his disguise days and days and days apart. And its NOT natural variation.

I would love to make my own charts. I've never thought about doing that myself because I am not an Expert. Believe me when I say I've learned a lot over the years but I'm not so bold to pretend to be on that level - even though (with respect to you) I believe that level can still be unreliable.

Maybe the next time I go down I'll remember to get those copies but I can't say when that will be. In the meantime you can be rest assured your observations won't sway me if I don't see what you see. That's the worst that can happen. The best is that you teach me something.

  • Re: Hauptmann v. KloppenburgMichael 5260, Thu Aug 23 10:22
    What are the "givens" that you do not agree with? I do not know positively whether or not Hauptmann was coached when he was writing his exemplars. It is not wise to begin a handwriting examination... more
    • Re: Hauptmann v. Kloppenburg — Michael, Thu Aug 23 17:00
      • Re: Hauptmann v. KloppenburgMichael 5260, Thu Aug 23 20:04
        Hauptmann and Kloppenburg were both in the same police station and both had the same test paragraph dictated to them. This isn't the same writing conditions? How so? If Kloppenburg wasn't under... more
        • Re: Hauptmann v. KloppenburgMichael, Fri Aug 24 08:31
          Once Kloppenburg got tired of writing did the Police whack him with a nightstick? No. But Hauptmann was. He was falling asleep and he'd get a knock on the ribs and told to write. It that a good... more
          • Re: Hauptmann v. KloppenburgMichael 5260, Fri Aug 24 11:44
            Hauptmann was told how to spell certain words. Where does this come from? Out of Hauptmann's own mouth. This is like believing Jodi Arias killed Travis Alexander in self-defense. We are supposed to... more
            • Re: Hauptmann v. KloppenburgMichael, Fri Aug 24 12:36
              I've been researching it for 18 years now. No one on the planet has logged more time at the Archives than I have with the exception of Mark Falzini. My files on the handwriting are enormous and I am... more
              • Re: Hauptmann v. KloppenburgMichael 5260, Fri Aug 24 15:32
                If you have enormous files on the handwriting you should have reached a solid conclusion about Hauptmann's handwriting. You have been looking at this junk for 18 years and you still do not have a... more
                • Re: Hauptmann v. KloppenburgMichael, Sat Aug 25 08:45
                  You are kinda all over the place... "If" I have? Listen, if any files were ever damaged at the Archives you can rest easy in knowing that copies can be made from my collection to replace them. Also... more
                  • NewseumRichard Sloan, Sun Aug 26 13:15
                    DOes anyone here know what the Newseum in DC has pert. to the case?
                  • Re: Hauptmann v. KloppenburgMichael 5260, Sat Aug 25 12:25
                    Okay, let's simplify things. In the next to last ransom note there is only one, only one, word misspelled. We can see that "south" is spelled "soud." That's it. All the other words in the ransom note ... more
                    • Re: Hauptmann v. KloppenburgMichael, Sun Aug 26 09:04
                      Let's make it even simpler. What we know (at the very least): 1. Sellers saw something in the exemplars which caused him to ask if Hauptmann was told how to spell. 2. Hauptmann said he was told how... more
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