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Michael
Re: Hauptmann v. Kloppenburg
Fri Aug 24, 2018 08:31
2001:558:6027:18:501a:3d7e:f6e0:52ef

Once Kloppenburg got tired of writing did the Police whack him with a nightstick? No. But Hauptmann was. He was falling asleep and he'd get a knock on the ribs and told to write. It that a good tactic to obtain exemplars? Not from any standards I have read. Next, was he told how to spell certain words? Perhaps, but we know Hauptmann was. Was he told how to write? No. But Hauptmann claimed he was, Agent Turrou clamed he had been, and there's other evidence to show it occurred. Exactly "when" or "how" I do not know. So those variables must be considered as well. I know everyone likes to approach this as a "black" or "white" situation but that's not how the world operates most of the time.

So yes, the conditions were different.

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Kloppenburg wasn't under the same level of suspicion. So there's a difference there too. They were "sure" about Hauptmann. Kloppenburg not so much.

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I think if we go into this without "assumptions" I cannot see how there would be any exemptions or exceptions.

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Among the Ransom Notes there are two different disguises. Osborn made this claim himself. If Hauptmann wrote those notes then he's got two disguises and of course his natural handwriting. Regardless of how "heavy" one disguise is to the next - the writer obviously remembers it.

So in 1932 we are supposed to believe Hauptmann remembered his disguises days and days apart but after his arrest cannot remember anything from one exemplar to the next made the same day and in some cases immediately after the previous one?

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When it comes to handwriting I'll have my own opinions on the matter. But I am not so imperceptive that I would believe someone who has studied the art couldn't see something I do not. And if they did, I would like the opportunity to apply it to my observations and actually learn from or see something I hadn't previously. I may or may not also call BS too.

Look, I may not agree its a real science but I've always said there was "something" to it. So in the end whether I agree or even disagree it can be a learning experience.


  • Re: Hauptmann v. KloppenburgMichael 5260, Thu Aug 23 20:04
    Hauptmann and Kloppenburg were both in the same police station and both had the same test paragraph dictated to them. This isn't the same writing conditions? How so? If Kloppenburg wasn't under... more
    • Re: Hauptmann v. Kloppenburg — Michael, Fri Aug 24 08:31
      • Re: Hauptmann v. KloppenburgMichael 5260, Fri Aug 24 11:44
        Hauptmann was told how to spell certain words. Where does this come from? Out of Hauptmann's own mouth. This is like believing Jodi Arias killed Travis Alexander in self-defense. We are supposed to... more
        • Re: Hauptmann v. KloppenburgMichael, Fri Aug 24 12:36
          I've been researching it for 18 years now. No one on the planet has logged more time at the Archives than I have with the exception of Mark Falzini. My files on the handwriting are enormous and I am... more
          • Re: Hauptmann v. KloppenburgMichael 5260, Fri Aug 24 15:32
            If you have enormous files on the handwriting you should have reached a solid conclusion about Hauptmann's handwriting. You have been looking at this junk for 18 years and you still do not have a... more
            • Re: Hauptmann v. KloppenburgMichael, Sat Aug 25 08:45
              You are kinda all over the place... "If" I have? Listen, if any files were ever damaged at the Archives you can rest easy in knowing that copies can be made from my collection to replace them. Also... more
              • NewseumRichard Sloan, Sun Aug 26 13:15
                DOes anyone here know what the Newseum in DC has pert. to the case?
              • Re: Hauptmann v. KloppenburgMichael 5260, Sat Aug 25 12:25
                Okay, let's simplify things. In the next to last ransom note there is only one, only one, word misspelled. We can see that "south" is spelled "soud." That's it. All the other words in the ransom note ... more
                • Re: Hauptmann v. KloppenburgMichael, Sun Aug 26 09:04
                  Let's make it even simpler. What we know (at the very least): 1. Sellers saw something in the exemplars which caused him to ask if Hauptmann was told how to spell. 2. Hauptmann said he was told how... more
                  • Re: Hauptmann v. KloppenburgMichael 5260, Sun Aug 26 11:07
                    What exactly did Sellers see in the exemplars that caused him to ask if Hauptmann was told how to spell? Hauptmann said he was told how to spell. What else would you expect him to say. Scaduto even... more
                    • Re: Hauptmann v. KloppenburgMichael, Sun Aug 26 11:55
                      You're doing "it" again. What would I "expect" Hauptmann to say? Well, I don't know. According to you there is no reason for him to lie because there is no proof of it. So where'd it come from?... more
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