Michael 5260 for Richard
Re: Lindy wrote all dem notes???!!!***
Sat Apr 6, 2019 12:59
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Rich, I don't know what Albert D. Osborn exactly said to the police about the handwriting. I do know that he should have not said anything at all until the handwriting examination was completed. He should have said nothing. Not even a hint.

Osborn Sr. warned about doing such a thing. Here are a couple of his cautions:

"Avoid, as a rule, the giving of an oral, instead of a written, report that later may be misinterpreted or exaggerated in a report to others".

"Avoid, if possible, an "eleventh hour" examination, with no time for review and re-examination".

The police called Osborn Sr. first for an examination of Hauptmann's handwriting. Osborn Sr. had a bad cold at the time so he advised the police to call his son.

Osborn Jr. agreed to meet the police at his office. This was in the middle of the night and it was a mistake to do so. Hauptmann was in custody, he was in the country illegally, so he wasn't going anywhere. The police were anxious, there was no need for Osborn Jr. to be anxious too.

I would have told the police to pound sand and would have told them to meet me at the office in the morning. I'm not kidding about this. Doing questioned document work you encounter quite a few pushy people(lawyers, private individuals, police, companies) that want what they want when they want it. I've had potential clients demand a letter of opinion from me without any kind of examination at all. They think they can just buy a professional opinion because they are jerks. I never hesitated to blow people like this off.

The Howard Hughes Forgery Case is a good one. It is an example of how a handwriting examiner can be duped. There are many ancillary details to this case but it does exemplify what happens when forged signatures(provided to an examiner as being genuine) are used as "standards of comparison" to compare to questioned forged signatures. When all of the signatures are written by the same writer(the forger in this case) the obvious opinion will be that the forged signatures are genuine. An inescapable outcome.

The FBI did examine the Lindbergh ransom notes and Hauptmann's handwriting in 1934. They determined that Hauptmann was the writer of all the ransom notes.

Rich, are you familiar with the President Bush Memos Case? Another good example of people wanting what they want and willing to go "expert shopping" to get it.

  • Lindy wrote all dem notes???!!!***Richard E Sloan, Sat Apr 6 10:06
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    • Re: Lindy wrote all dem notes???!!!*** — Michael 5260 for Richard, Sat Apr 6 12:59
      • dem notesRichard E Sloan, Sat Apr 6 23:17
        No, I am not familiar with the Bush memo case. And the way in which you wrote a line or two makes me think you are a handwriting "expert." Are you, or was that all conjecture?,
        • Re: dem notesMichael 5260 for Richard, Sun Apr 7 13:03
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          • dem notesRichard E Sloan, Sun Apr 7 19:38
            I didnt know "Michael" is Mike Melsky til now! Of cs. I remember meeting you on that unique afternoon, and seeing the pic of Bruno's writing. I'm no leprechaun, but I couldn't climb beyond the first... more
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