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Doc
Hi DCG and Maggs
Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:13pm

I could be wrong, but my impression reading Maggie's message was that she wasn't meaning "funny" in exactly the sense you describe in your well thought out examples (let's make a camp film that might one day appear on MST3X and be heckled by robots). I'm thinking it was meant more in the vein of the ridiculously overindulgent films that were circulating back then and (inexplicably) the rave of audiences. For example, anything by Frank Sinatra where he tries to be super-cool, although to me such attempts look forced and quite ridiculous by today's standards.

Take for example Oceans 11. Self-indulgent to the core. The Rat Pack. Oh look, they are being so cool with their little inside jokes ... vomit-inducing if you ask me. I think there was a trend back then to give certain actors an "incrowd" status (Sinatra, Dean Martin, Sammy Davis Jr.) which made them look like onscreen caricatures. Not a good formula for really talented actors like LVC (I mean, c'mon Ed McMahon was given a role in Oceans 11 because Sinatra was running the show and insisted on it). All to have a good laugh at the audience's expense, and yet the audience laughed along and embraced it. And like most things in life, if you have no creative ideas you go with "formulaic". Anyway, I'm going out on a limb and guessing that this what Maggs' meant when she mentioned "dubbing to be funny", although I could be totally off base here.

  • Funny Dubbing...?DCG, Wed Dec 13 7:41am
    It's entirely possible that I'm havin' a Senior Moment, but I don't recall ever reading/hearing of GBU (or any other SW) being "dubbed to be funny". At least, not by the Studio, as part of an... more
    • Hi DCG and Maggs — Doc, Wed Dec 13 10:13pm
      • Cool Runnings (slip off the rails)DCG, Thu Dec 14 5:15pm
        Well, Doc --- I guess it had to happen, eventually! ;) We finally found something to completely Disagree over... Yes, I can understand how the Rat Pack's suave behavior appears laughable to some... more
        • Haha. Don't forget Peter Lawford.Doc, Thu Dec 14 11:32pm
          Actually, Sinatra and Lawford had a huge falling out. Something to do with JFK canceling a stay at Sinatra's house due to Sinatra's alleged criminal ties. Sinatra felt that Lawford didn't make any... more
          • Cool an' the GangDCG, Sat Dec 23 11:37pm
            LOL....no, Doc --- I didn't "forget" Peter Lawford: I specifically said "and the gang" to include the "others" beyond the chief triumvirate of The Messrs. Cool that are the Rat Pack. While not "as"... more
            • Agree.Doc, Wed Dec 27 9:40am
              Joey Bishop was all kinda "Me??" But he was beloved by fellow rat-packers. And Shirley Maclaine also. Wonderful classy lady. And yet another of my boyhood crushes. Happy belated holidays DCG, and to... more
              • Rat Pack -- the Ladies edition!DCG, Fri Dec 29 4:22am
                And yes, -- HAPPY NEW YEAR to you, too, Doc! Meanwhile, an earlier draught (mostly composed in my head, rather than actually typed out) of my prior message had notes on several of the Rat Pack... more
    • Ooops...Maggie, Wed Dec 13 3:08pm
      I should have clarified I meant the German version not the English. I am sorry, I forgot to mention that. We get to see almost everything dubbed over here, so I am not familiar with what a lot of... more
      • Danke schön, Maggs... ;)DCG, Thu Dec 14 5:14pm
        ...now your points make sense. ;) And thanks for the clarification and Background Info on German Dubbing of SW's! As for a modern-day (then or now) perception that SW's were *meant* to be Funny, that ... more
        • but maybe people just needed something to laugh about in their daily lives. And I don't think that dubbing always had artistic approach as a relevant theme, but rather inland sales. So if they... more
          • Ah, okay, Maggs...DCG, Thu Dec 21 4:36am
            ...that definitely does create a Chicken-n-Egg scenario, as you suggest. Hmmm. For a culture that takes a ton of hits for its LACK of a Funny Bone, Germany certainly can surprise. (They were, as you... more
      • English language difficult...Maggie, Thu Dec 14 12:07am
        I did ponder a bit about this and I think I managed to sort it out now. Doc, I did actually mean funny in the sense of "something to laugh about", as in joke, tongue in cheek, whatever. They did a... more
        • Oh, and...Maggie, Thu Dec 14 3:52am
          ... there also was Sabata, right? That was 69, right? And that was when LVC was approached by Parolini who introduced the idea of a crazy comedy to him, right? So I stick out my little neck and... more
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