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TB7, your Top Ten...
Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:16am

...could've been MY list, as we both agree how one's Tastes/Opinions when it comes to Fave LVC Films can Change relatively quickly --- well put, re: "Steak & Eggs", and "there are so many favorites from which to choose"!

I can't believe I forgot STRANGER AND GUNFIGHTER on mine, esp as your Post/Review was the Tipping Point that made me make my T10 list! But, I went off-board for a number of hours in between my Post under your S&G thread (noting I'd be making a T10 list), and actually composing it. I *did* "cheat" and scan the IMDB creds for LVC, but iirc S&G is under the BLOOD MONEY alternate title -- and I discovered the film as S&'s just ingrained in my subconscious. So, as I scanned quickly for Film Titles (attempting to ignore TV titles, for now), BM went under my radar...but yeah, it's DEFFO up there on my Permanent Faves list, too.

I seriously considered THE SQUEEZE, and post-hoc Posting, it kept naggin' at me: the more I think on it, my main issue with the film was the Poor Print Quality -- which isn't the filmmakers' fault. And, again, it's been some years since I last viewed it. (It was at least a couple-few years before Karen Black passed, I recall.)

The "years since viewed" also goes for GRAND DUEL, as I noted prior, in another thread. (And you lock GD in on your list, as an unequivocal No. 4 --- I don't think I could do that, myself. I like GD, but not more'n BIG GUNDOWN, for sure.)

I like Lee's "Frankie Diamond" (which is how I always remember it being pronounced in the film, but I could be wrong -- spelling, no doubt, is closer to what you wrote, TB7), but I know I had a powerful, negative reaction to Tony LoBianco's "Breda" on first viewing -- he just annoyed the livin' FAWK outta me, and made it difficult to enjoy the movie. But, this was back in the 1990s, and I've watched it a few times since...and really, gotten used to Tony's cloying character. So, I should re-consider this one, too.

I will certainly meet you halfway with GOD'S GUN --- oh, how much BETTER that film could've been, with only some minor adjustments! Again, lack of a decent print (back in the day...I know I've snatched a pretty clean, tho not OAR, print off GooToob, but haven't watched it, yet), as with SQUEEZE, had something to do with my lower opinion of GG. As did Leif Garrett, of course! *sheesh*

And, as you'll note in my thread-creating Post above, I specifically avoided using Numbers, and declared the films in "rough but not exactly descending order". (Hope I quoted myself right -- did that w/o checkin'!)

You know, it occurs to me in retrospect, that if I'd gone ahead an' expanded the number to FIFTEEN (or even a Dozen -- "LVC's Dirty Dozen"...??), I'd have been more comfortable fitting "all" my Permanent Faves within. But, yeah --- I think I'd deffo need 15! Maybe 16? I know the Bad Babes would love bein' able to call their lists "Lee's Sweet Sixteen", eh? Esp, in honor of Valentine's week...

PostScript: WHO'S NEXT....?!?!? ;)

  • Lee's Top TenTheBad7, Thu Feb 15 5:03am
    I'll bite: 1 - PER QUALCHE DOLLARO IN PIU, 1965, as Colonel Douglas Mortimer. 2 - DEATH RIDES A HORSE, 1967, as Ryan. 3 - IL BUONO, IL BRUTTO, IL CATTIVO, 1966, as Angel Eyes. 4 - THE GRAND DUEL,... more
    • REVISED: Lee's Top FifteenTheBad7, Fri Feb 16 12:50pm
      1 - PER QUALCHE DOLLARO IN PIU, 1965, as Colonel Douglas Mortimer. 2 - DEATH RIDES A HORSE, 1967, as Ryan. 3 - THE BIG GUNDOWN, 1966, as Jonathan "Colorado" Corbett. 4 - IL BUONO, IL BRUTTO, IL... more
    • TB7, your Top Ten... — DCG, Thu Feb 15 11:16am
      • Me! Me!Maggie, Thu Feb 15 1:45pm
        As a matter of fact I was about to start a thread like this, it must have been in the air. I will mostly go for multi-layerd and complex characters and the movies I tend to rewatch quite a lot. Like... more
        • will add a couple of comments: It was interesting to see that the same fistful (hah!) of movies scored high on all our rankings, and that they all lean to the Spaghetti Westrn era in the late 60s and ... more
          • @MaggieTheBad7, Mon Feb 19 1:10am
            Hi Maggie-- On this there is no dispute: Lee's prime as an actor was between 1965 and 1974--I chose 1974 as a cutoff as I consider THE STRANGER & THE GUNFIGHTER Lee's last great role as a classic,... more
            • hi tb7Maggie, Mon Feb 19 2:52am
              Great comments! And food for thought. Yes, I would agree on 1974 - for the very reason you mentioned. I think we read repeatedly in this forum he really did want to do more comedy, so it must have... more
              • @Maggie Pt. 2 - Lee The ActorTheBad7, Mon Feb 19 5:30am
                Hi Maggie-- I consider myself a huge L.V.C. fan; however, I was always frustrated by his infatuation with wanting to do comedy. This might upset some fans, but I'm going to say it anyway: Lee, like... more
                • tb7, are you sure...Maggie, Mon Feb 19 7:28am
                  ... you meant bad man's river and not barquero (1970)? Bad man's river is a comedy and there is much more slapstick than with Sabata... Can't answer in detail at the moment, got to hop along. I'll be ... more
                  • BAD MAN'S RIVERTheBad7, Mon Feb 19 8:40am
                    Hi Maggie-- Oh no, I did mean BAD MAN'S RIVER--in fact, Lee's Roy King in that film reminds me of Dakota from THE STRANGER & THE GUNFIGHTER, and I liked the concept of a bank robber taking on a huge... more
          • MF+CT, 1970's era EuroComedy, et alDCG, Fri Feb 16 1:08pm
            Well, first of all, Maggs: I did mention that over multiple viewings, over many years, I have gotten used to Tony LoBianco's goofy "Tony Breda" performance. ;) But you raise a great point, re: that... more
          • @MaggieTheBad7, Fri Feb 16 12:52pm
            Hi Maggie-- Love your comments on MF & CT. I will add to your comments when I can this weekend. :) tb7
        • Thinking about mineBob 0, Fri Feb 16 2:45am
          For A Few Dollars More 65 FAFDM has to be number one if I'm thinking Lee performance and screen time. I'm trying to find a way to include The Squeeze and Last Stagecoach West without dropping... more
          • @BobO: Agree on PER QUALCHE...TheBad7, Fri Feb 16 12:38pm
            Hi Bob-- Agreed. This is the DEFINITIVE L.V.C. performance. Lee gives us EVERYTHING we could possibly want, and on display are all his strengths as an actor. Furthermore, Lee upstages the great Clint ... more
            • Lee's acting developmentDCG, Sat Feb 17 12:50am
              TB7, you probably recall that Clint, around the time of GBU, bitched about how his pictures with Leone kept diminishing his parts as they went along -- (to paraphrase) "Van Cleef's got all the... more
              • OUaTitWDoc, Sat Feb 17 9:57pm
                I heard that Leone wanted Clint, Lee and Eli for his triumphant Once Upon a Time in the West. Story has it that Clint thought "Great, the gang is back together" until he learned that Leone had... more
                • The G.B.U. Trio in WESTTheBad7, Mon Feb 19 5:01am
                  Let me qualify this by saying that I am a big fan of Eastwood as both an actor and director--though I prefer him as an actor; in recent years, he sometimes gets too leisurely with his pacing--to the... more
                  • ClintDCG, Tue Feb 20 10:58am
                    First off: Nice Overview/Perspective on Clint, amigo. I'm pretty sure you know, TB7, that I agree with you --- and have spouting similar words for decades, whenever I fall into conversation about... more
                    • @DC: The Eastwood Approach **Spoilers**TheBad7, Tue Feb 20 12:48pm
                      Hi DC-- That's the definitive element to Clint as an actor--I'll be the first to admit, and I am a massive fan of his (have been since childhood), that he has a limited range as an actor. That being... more
                  • Very insightful comments. Thanks! (nm)Doc, Mon Feb 19 9:40pm
                • Agree w/yr assessment, Doc...DCG, Sun Feb 18 2:23am
                  ...and recall, as a kid, a Clint feature in PEOPLE magazine (mid-70s) that included a shot of him screening film for Editing practice. Best, DCG.
                • I'd be interestedMaggie, Sun Feb 18 1:26am
                  in the male/female ratio among LVC fans and among Clint fans. In my perception Clint does not score very high in sex appeal, but Lee clearly does. At least I have known more male Clint fans than... more
              • ClintMaggie, Sat Feb 17 5:21am
                is not my favorite actor as I may have mentioned before. And I know he did go on bitching about Leone movies. But no wonder Lee and Eli Wallach stole the show, I always percieve Clints performance as ... more
                • Yep, Kinski was underrated -- if a bit Mad, to be sure. ;) I could never be confident whether his insane, public Rants were an Act or a Cry for Help. I discovered the work of Werner Herzog thru... more
                  • The public rants are famousMaggie, Sun Feb 18 9:42am
                    but there are rumours that he did that to attract attention. It is interesting to see old TV shows he appeared upon where he just tried to derail things by acting like a spoilt child and everybody... more
                    • With the exception of...DCG, Sun Feb 18 10:25pm
                      ..."not an easy character" (at least a lot of people have reported he's "easier" than a Kinski-type), the rest of that sentence applies exactly to Sergio Leone, too: "...shrouded in myths, many of... more
                    • Read this on WikipediaDoc, Sun Feb 18 9:32pm
                      "By May 1945, at the end of the war in Europe, the German POWs were anxious to return home. Kinski had heard that sick prisoners were to be returned first, and tried to qualify by standing outside... more
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