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Maggie
Me! Me!
Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:45pm

As a matter of fact I was about to start a thread like this, it must have been in the air. I will mostly go for multi-layerd and complex characters and the movies I tend to rewatch quite a lot. Like DCG pointed out this list shifts with mood and weather, but my preferences are pretty fixed, nonetheless.

1. Death rides a horse
This probably will never change, always was my No. 1. The detatched watcher, out for a revenge and with incredibly credible warmth.

2. For a few Dollars more
For me the most credibly human character on set.

3. Big Gundown
I like the way Jonathan Corbett watches, thinks, interacts and changes his point of view.

4. The Good the Bad and the Ugly
Angel Eyes does display a surprising amount of warmth and dismay, too, even if rarely for his companions, but for example in the camp where the endless row of soldiers passes by and he looks at the mayhem surrounding them. And above all this was the movie which made me catch the bug and I think I have been watching it for the umpteenth time by now.

5. Beyond the Law
Billy Joe Cudlip trying to drink a civilized cup of tea (or was it coffee?) is just so very charming. And I like the plot which puts cunning above violence.

Another 5. (Can't make up my mind...) The Stranger and the Gunfighter
Another unwashed but friendly and joyful character. And I like the touch of wild East and the unprejudiced way Dakota makes friends with the very strange Stranger.

7. The Big Combo
A wonderfully ambivalent character leaving a lot of questions open, including the one whether Fante is homosexual or not.

8. Sabata
Not a complex character, I admit, but a very cool cat. Very distatched but not aloof. And of course a dream team tied up with Banjo. I even like the Return of Sabata, but that does not make it into the top ten.

9. Bad Man's River
Another nice and joyful character with long underpants.

10. Mean Frank and Crazy Tony
I have only been able to watch the butchered version, but I like the movie and the character and I am keen to find the complete version somewhere, somehow.

Oops, the Grand Duel would come next, but it did not make it by hair's breadth. Pity we are not working in the duodecimal system, even the UK has ditched that somewhere along the way in the 70s, I think.

Movies I never really managed to come to terms with are Captain Apache with it's very encroaching music and strange character, though the loincloth scene is not to be missed. And Day of Anger which in my opinion goes overboard with strange ideas like the guns at the entrance of the saloon and lizard-like characters. But that is only me.

And then there are those movies that do not enter into the competition this time as I have not seen them in ages, like El Condor. That must have been decades ago. I am waiting for a decent copy to come flopping my way, but so far to no avail.

And now I am returning to your entries and read your comments, I did not want to read them before I make up my own top ten, in order to be unbiased. So I might be back for comments, too.

Very intriguing!

  • TB7, your Top Ten...DCG, Thu Feb 15 11:16am
    ...could've been MY list, as we both agree how one's Tastes/Opinions when it comes to Fave LVC Films can Change relatively quickly --- well put, re: "Steak & Eggs", and "there are so many favorites... more
    • Me! Me! — Maggie, Thu Feb 15 1:45pm
      • will add a couple of comments: It was interesting to see that the same fistful (hah!) of movies scored high on all our rankings, and that they all lean to the Spaghetti Westrn era in the late 60s and ... more
        • @MaggieTheBad7, Mon Feb 19 1:10am
          Hi Maggie-- On this there is no dispute: Lee's prime as an actor was between 1965 and 1974--I chose 1974 as a cutoff as I consider THE STRANGER & THE GUNFIGHTER Lee's last great role as a classic,... more
          • hi tb7Maggie, Mon Feb 19 2:52am
            Great comments! And food for thought. Yes, I would agree on 1974 - for the very reason you mentioned. I think we read repeatedly in this forum he really did want to do more comedy, so it must have... more
            • @Maggie Pt. 2 - Lee The ActorTheBad7, Mon Feb 19 5:30am
              Hi Maggie-- I consider myself a huge L.V.C. fan; however, I was always frustrated by his infatuation with wanting to do comedy. This might upset some fans, but I'm going to say it anyway: Lee, like... more
              • tb7, are you sure...Maggie, Mon Feb 19 7:28am
                ... you meant bad man's river and not barquero (1970)? Bad man's river is a comedy and there is much more slapstick than with Sabata... Can't answer in detail at the moment, got to hop along. I'll be ... more
                • BAD MAN'S RIVERTheBad7, Mon Feb 19 8:40am
                  Hi Maggie-- Oh no, I did mean BAD MAN'S RIVER--in fact, Lee's Roy King in that film reminds me of Dakota from THE STRANGER & THE GUNFIGHTER, and I liked the concept of a bank robber taking on a huge... more
        • MF+CT, 1970's era EuroComedy, et alDCG, Fri Feb 16 1:08pm
          Well, first of all, Maggs: I did mention that over multiple viewings, over many years, I have gotten used to Tony LoBianco's goofy "Tony Breda" performance. ;) But you raise a great point, re: that... more
        • @MaggieTheBad7, Fri Feb 16 12:52pm
          Hi Maggie-- Love your comments on MF & CT. I will add to your comments when I can this weekend. :) tb7
      • Thinking about mineBob 0, Fri Feb 16 2:45am
        For A Few Dollars More 65 FAFDM has to be number one if I'm thinking Lee performance and screen time. I'm trying to find a way to include The Squeeze and Last Stagecoach West without dropping... more
        • @BobO: Agree on PER QUALCHE...TheBad7, Fri Feb 16 12:38pm
          Hi Bob-- Agreed. This is the DEFINITIVE L.V.C. performance. Lee gives us EVERYTHING we could possibly want, and on display are all his strengths as an actor. Furthermore, Lee upstages the great Clint ... more
          • Lee's acting developmentDCG, Sat Feb 17 12:50am
            TB7, you probably recall that Clint, around the time of GBU, bitched about how his pictures with Leone kept diminishing his parts as they went along -- (to paraphrase) "Van Cleef's got all the... more
            • OUaTitWDoc, Sat Feb 17 9:57pm
              I heard that Leone wanted Clint, Lee and Eli for his triumphant Once Upon a Time in the West. Story has it that Clint thought "Great, the gang is back together" until he learned that Leone had... more
              • The G.B.U. Trio in WESTTheBad7, Mon Feb 19 5:01am
                Let me qualify this by saying that I am a big fan of Eastwood as both an actor and director--though I prefer him as an actor; in recent years, he sometimes gets too leisurely with his pacing--to the... more
                • ClintDCG, Tue Feb 20 10:58am
                  First off: Nice Overview/Perspective on Clint, amigo. I'm pretty sure you know, TB7, that I agree with you --- and have spouting similar words for decades, whenever I fall into conversation about... more
                  • @DC: The Eastwood Approach **Spoilers**TheBad7, Tue Feb 20 12:48pm
                    Hi DC-- That's the definitive element to Clint as an actor--I'll be the first to admit, and I am a massive fan of his (have been since childhood), that he has a limited range as an actor. That being... more
                    • Clint, reduxDCG, Wed Feb 21 6:35am
                      Not a lot to add, amigo --- you pretty much covered it! ;) But I'll try... Never read BRIDGES/MC, and only saw the film a few years after it debuted. For whatever reason, it just didn't interest me... more
                • Very insightful comments. Thanks! (nm)Doc, Mon Feb 19 9:40pm
              • Agree w/yr assessment, Doc...DCG, Sun Feb 18 2:23am
                ...and recall, as a kid, a Clint feature in PEOPLE magazine (mid-70s) that included a shot of him screening film for Editing practice. Best, DCG.
              • I'd be interestedMaggie, Sun Feb 18 1:26am
                in the male/female ratio among LVC fans and among Clint fans. In my perception Clint does not score very high in sex appeal, but Lee clearly does. At least I have known more male Clint fans than... more
            • ClintMaggie, Sat Feb 17 5:21am
              is not my favorite actor as I may have mentioned before. And I know he did go on bitching about Leone movies. But no wonder Lee and Eli Wallach stole the show, I always percieve Clints performance as ... more
              • Yep, Kinski was underrated -- if a bit Mad, to be sure. ;) I could never be confident whether his insane, public Rants were an Act or a Cry for Help. I discovered the work of Werner Herzog thru... more
                • The public rants are famousMaggie, Sun Feb 18 9:42am
                  but there are rumours that he did that to attract attention. It is interesting to see old TV shows he appeared upon where he just tried to derail things by acting like a spoilt child and everybody... more
                  • With the exception of...DCG, Sun Feb 18 10:25pm
                    ..."not an easy character" (at least a lot of people have reported he's "easier" than a Kinski-type), the rest of that sentence applies exactly to Sergio Leone, too: "...shrouded in myths, many of... more
                  • Read this on WikipediaDoc, Sun Feb 18 9:32pm
                    "By May 1945, at the end of the war in Europe, the German POWs were anxious to return home. Kinski had heard that sick prisoners were to be returned first, and tried to qualify by standing outside... more
                    • One presumes...DCG, Sun Feb 18 10:32pm
                      ...that Wise & Baron's INTERNATIONAL STARS AT WAR (from which your above quote is extracted) is properly researched and therefore there's some substance to this detail of Kinski's life...but I'd... more
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