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Frashavan
From what I can tell...
Mon Jan 23, 2012 20:26
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... and I may be mistaken, iPirate is one of those who assumes that everyone who does not share his/her particular exegesis of the Bible MUST, therefore, be a literalist. It seems to annoy her/him a great deal that others do not share that limitation, at all (yes, there are tons of literalists, just not so many posting around here right now).

As I said, I could be wrong. iPirate bores me, and I stopped paying attention to his/her posts a few months back.

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Does God ---- Do unto others? — ipirate2, Mon Jan 23 16:15

Does God ---- Do unto others? There are many instances in scriptures where God does not follow the golden rule. Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity... more
vike: You got to love it — sai ram, Tue Jan 24 13:45

You got to love it when a holier than thou gets in trouble......yet people will blow it off and continue to give money so he can live a better than thou life...... more
Re: vike: You got to love it — ipirate2, Tue Jan 24 19:01

DUI is nothing when Christians and Catholics can ignore and or cover up institutionalized pedophile protection and cover up. Was it 2 years ago now that 3 or 4 E U countries were making noise about... more
vike: Nature — sai ram, Tue Jan 24 05:20

"Everything in the Universe, from sub-atomic particles to the biggest star, has a form. It was this fact that impelled the ancients to worship the earth as Mother. Some scientists ridiculed this... more
Re: vike: Nature — ipirate2, Tue Jan 24 07:26

The lose is that Man, who is a part of that same wondrous system, is in a way, adoring himself. We too are dust and to adore it is self-adoration. From an ego standpoint, which we all have and should ... more
vike: The name of the Lord — sai ram, Tue Jan 24 05:44

"Yes, the Lord has a thousand names. In fact, all names are his; there is no name that is not His. All are names of the same entity." Sai Baba "Repeat the name of the Lord-the name that appeals to... more
Re: vike: The name of the Lord — ipirate2, Tue Jan 24 07:28

If you have a lord, then you are a slave. Enjoy your orders from your invisible lord and master. Regards DL
We are all slaves — sai ram, Tue Jan 24 07:43

you are a slave too....don't think so?....try not dying...or getting older.....or getting sick or having your love ones die.....you are a slave to this world you live in.....how do you free... more
Re: We are all slaves — ipirate2, Tue Jan 24 08:28

So. A free man to your eyes must be able to exceed t5he bounds of nature and physics. As a slave, it seems your master has forbidden you to think rationally. Regards DL
Funny — sai ram, Tue Jan 24 09:30

Funny you should bring up "thinking rationally"......sai ram
I think you don't get the Nicene Creed — Mirage, Mon Jan 23 22:31

"In the sacrifice of Jesus, God demanded that Jesus bear the sins of the wicked who will repent." To trinitarians this argument makes no sense. Most Christian sects today believe in the Nicene Creed. ... more
Re: I think you don't get the Nicene Creed — ipirate2, Tue Jan 24 07:33

A change in thinking, regardless of the creed, is the moral path that says not to take advantage or profit from the murder of an innocent man. Their bible says just that. Scripturally speaking, it... more
Re: I think you don't get the Nicene Creed — Mirage, Tue Jan 24 10:50

Um, this is what I am trying to explain to you, and why I asked if you understand the Nicene Creed which has been accepted by the vast majority of Christian churches for many centuries...Trinitarians ... more
Re: I think you don't get the Nicene Creed — ipirate2, Tue Jan 24 10:57

I agree. It would be a self-aggrandizing suicide and immoral. If God is a Trinity then he cannot die as a sacrifice now can he? As to the idiotic three headed God. If all the heads are one in... more
Don't you realize it's all fantasy! (nm) — Kasey, Mon Jan 23 22:16

Re: Don't you realize it's all fantasy! — ipirate2, Tue Jan 24 07:37

I certainly do know it is all myth but there is still a lot of damage to society from those foolish enough not to know it is all fantasy. Those who do not try to correct foolish thinking do not have... more
Most of the time it's fantasy to him except when he needs it — Mirage, Mon Jan 23 22:38

When he needs it in an argument, he(or she) presents it as literal fact, and expects all Christians to debate with him on that basis alone.
Re: Most of the time it's fantasy to him except when he needs it — ipirate2, Tue Jan 24 07:41

Why not. Those I go against do and I have to be in their park if I want to play and win the game. Should I quote Plato against them? Should I bring a knife to a gun fight. Someone is not thinking and ... more
More to the point, do you? — Frashavan, Mon Jan 23 19:19

Your posts are all straw man arguments anyway...
Re: More to the point, do you? — ipirate2, Tue Jan 24 07:43

I get that a lot from the GODDIDIT brainless side. It means that they cannot argue for their side and are running away. Strawman is their way of just hiding behind some miracle or other. Regards DL
I don't think anyone here argues... — Frashavan, Tue Jan 24 17:36

... that the Bible is literally true, therefore all your posts that try and say thats what "we" believe are erroneous. People take exception to your posts for the manifest errors in logic they... more
Re: More to the point, do you? — Mirage, Mon Jan 23 22:46

I think he suffers from No True Scotsman syndrome. :( It's a shame really because if he didn't, some of his questions could lead to serious debates.
My, my — MN_Morgan, Mon Jan 23 18:51

You certainly put a lot of stock into the exact authenticity of the scriptures. I guess these are the exact words of God and there is no ignorance of the ego mingled in, nor is there any chance of... more
Re: My, my — ipirate2, Tue Jan 24 07:20

It is not a matter of changing anything. The bible can already be manipulated to say damned near anything you want it to say. Even now, the churches that accept Gays and women as equal use some... more
Here's a challenge for you. — MN_Morgan, Tue Jan 24 11:24

Take some green tomatoes. Go yell at them and tell them to be ripe immediately. Let me know if they changed in that instant from green to red. ;D
That would be easy for him. — Mirage, Tue Jan 24 12:05

No matter how many times people tell him they don't believe what he thinks they do, he just assumes they are lying. He believes people who tell him they are not his strawman are lying and secretly... more
Fizzbin? I prefer Calvinball. — MN_Morgan, Wed Jan 25 12:20

I call blue square and now I get to jump around it in circles of three till I rack up 70 points. In all seriousness, I usually poke someone who claims to be one thing, then acts like another... more
Nothing like a good game of Calvinball — Frashavan, Thu Jan 26 07:24

He avoids answering most queries, and always insists that you answer his entire posts in the way he wishes them to be answered. It's tiresome in the extreme.
Indeed — MN_Morgan, Thu Jan 26 12:01

On that note, I'm going to run around the croquet wickets. :D No more ASCII bits need be wasted on him.
From what I can tell... — Frashavan, Mon Jan 23 20:26
Re: From what I can tell... — Mirage, Tue Jan 24 13:52

I'm giving up. I respect modern gnosticism, and I have never mocked his gnosticism even when he insulted billions of people on a tiny forum where he knows even considering lurkers, probably fewer... more
Re: gnosis — MN_Morgan, Wed Jan 25 12:37

I am a recent free-spirit, and I have explored a lot of the Nag-Hammidi myself. (I still attend a Baptist Church, though I traded the more southern variety for a more contemporary, and I still ignore ... more
Re: gnosis — Mirage, Thu Jan 26 15:45

I'm looking forward to your links. Your quest to find a group that fits with your beliefs sounds very familiar to me. Took me many years to find a church I could join.
I may take the net route — MN_Morgan, Fri Jan 27 11:53

I still attend a Baptist church for fellowship sake. It's strict but contemporary. I'm allowed to wear pants without people gawking! I seek and search on my own, and I might find a net group I can at ... more
Re: I may take the net route — Mirage, Fri Jan 27 16:11

I hope your computer will come home soon in good shape. I used to be on the DeviantART site because fractals are a passion of mine, but it was years ago. I did belong to a couple of tolerance groups... more
Tolerance groups? — MN_Morgan, Mon Jan 30 12:21

I will have to add them to my watch when I get my data back. I'm certainly not into fractals, but I absorb alchemic works and mandalas like good food. I am sure I can find some fragment of... more
It was a patient effort — Frashavan, Tue Jan 24 17:39

From what I know of the gnostics, they never could agree with each other about what the "gnosis" was, exactly -- it's one of the major reasons more orthodox (or, at least, consistently hetereodox)... more
It sounds like — Mirage, Tue Jan 24 21:06

the experience of gnosis is very personal, so it's not surprising really. It may be more like satori. Your comment on Scots made me smile. My mother grew up in NC, where a lot of the Culloden... more
Re: From what I can tell... — ipirate2, Tue Jan 24 07:46

Name anyone who believes in Jesus and does not read the Bible literally to some extent. You cannot because they have to. Regards DL
Re: From what I can tell... — Mirage, Tue Jan 24 14:19

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_atheism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_religion That's a start. The Jefferson Bible can be read online.
Re: From what I can tell... — ipirate2, Tue Jan 24 20:18

Using the teachings is hardly belief in a literal Jesus. You will likely know that the Christian Jesus says almost nothing that was not written in the Book of the Dead or scripted in one of the older ... more
Re: From what I can tell... — Mirage, Tue Jan 24 20:45

That's ironic. Believing in a symbolic or mythical Jesus doesn't count,to you of all people? Some Christian atheists do believe there was an historical figure but they don't believe that person was... more
Biblical Literalism — Mirage, Mon Jan 23 23:08

There's a lot of misunderstanding regarding Biblical literalism. Biblical literalism takes myriad forms, but most Biblical literalists do consider parables to be parables, for example. Want to see a... more
Re: Biblical Literalism — Mirage, Mon Jan 23 23:10

ever before should be never of course
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