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sai ram
vike: I hate to say it..but
Tue Feb 28, 2012 23:03
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http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/28/10534518-fears-grow-of-israel-iran-missile-shootout

Israel has to be at least thinking they need to hit Iran with a nuclear warhead.....anything less would be like slapping a dog with a pork chop......what would this make the whole world upset with them?.....so my belief is they do go nuclear....or do nothing at all.....sai ram

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So, human remains from 9-11 ended up in garbage dumps — Frashavan, Tue Feb 28 20:37

Kind of makes all the crocodile tears and rhetoric surrounding the victims pretty much empty and meaningless, doesn't it?
Vike: It wasn't a stroke, for which I am thankful — Frashavan, Sat Mar 3 17:50

It's a very severe case of Bell's Palsy. That is a relief...no fun for her, though, since her speech is affected as well as her facial muscles being paralyzed. However, it should heal in a few months.
So glad to hear it. — Mirage, Mon Mar 5 17:30

I will keep praying for her. This is good news, but I am sorry she is suffering.
Thanks you... (nm) — Frashavan, Tue Mar 6 05:56

Amen for small gifts ;-) (nm) — Baruch, Sat Mar 3 23:07

vike: The 3 Interfaith Amigos — sai ram, Thu Mar 1 20:30

these guys are good! http://interfaithamigos.com/Home.html
Yes, very good ... — Baruch, Thu Mar 1 23:58

now if they can just transcend the limitations of Abrahamic religion, they will really be somewhere ;-) Shalom
Re: So, human remains from 9-11 ended up in garbage dumps — Mirage, Wed Feb 29 08:47

Remains cannot legally be sent to regular landfills in the US. The people responsible for that were government contractors, and the government unfortunately has hired some pretty bad contractors over ... more
Surely the relatives of victims knew this... — Kasey, Wed Feb 29 06:18

would happen for when human tissue if crushed and compressed and atomized,as in reality what happened for some, no identifiable traces would be found in the mass of rubble and clean-up rubble for... more
Re: Surely the relatives of victims knew this... — Mirage, Wed Feb 29 08:22

The tears here were certainly real. People were so traumatized that a lot of communities set up hotlines people could call to get referrals to support groups and local psychologists if they needed... more
vike: I hate to say it..but — sai ram, Tue Feb 28 23:03
It has been inevitable, not justifiable ... — Baruch, Wed Feb 29 06:40

the only way for some Jews to equal the score for HaShoah, is to kill 6 million innocent Gentiles ... if Israel is the Fourth Reich, then things are equalized. But then the claiming of special... more
Nonsense — sai ram, Wed Feb 29 07:01

"But then the claiming of special victimhood status has to stop ... as it must"..................nonsense....most of the world loves a good victim story.....so it will go on...and on....because the... more
Israel/Judaism isn't innocent ... — Baruch, Wed Feb 29 07:08

nobody is innocent (in that sense Original Sin is correct), all deserve death, someday, not salvation from death. You can't have life without death, so salvation is nothing more than ordering a meal... more
Random happenings are just that! (nm) — Kasey, Fri Mar 2 08:17

The usual religious view ... — Baruch, Fri Mar 2 12:44

is that nothing is a coincidence. Randomness comes about because of denial of will in animals and people ... and as a side effect of Fortuna, Roman pagan goddess of business and gambling. So do you... more
Remember where there's a will there's a way! (nm) — Kasey, Sun Mar 4 00:54

"Random" is one of those misused words — Frashavan, Fri Mar 2 21:20

Most things people describe as "random" are much less random than they think... but most theistic minded people attribute meaning to the things that happen, even if they do not ascribe an active role ... more
Post-theist or specifically post-Christian people ... — Baruch, Sat Mar 3 05:03

have a cultural sense of what is right metaphysically and ethically ... they have managed to imbibe a secularized version of their theist environment ... which feeds their sense of reality and... more
Re: Post-theist or specifically post-Christian people ... — Frashavan, Sun Mar 4 07:57

What I see, teaching in an inner city school is that "post" isn't limited to christian. There are lots of post-hindu and post-muslim students (what Kasey fails to get is that the "muslim"terrorists... more
Exactly, the post-Muslim students ... — Baruch, Mon Mar 5 06:43

don't understand the un-Islam of today's Muslim terrorism. Shalom
Agreed — sai ram, Wed Feb 29 07:47

"As far as victimhood goes, everyone claims that, Jew and non-Jew"....yes, but some have developed it to an art form......both Jews and black Americans come to mind....but also throw in American... more
That is politics for you .... — Baruch, Wed Feb 29 18:24

if one could gain political points by swallowing goldfish, lots of people would be doing it. But people who are not Jews have claimed to be Jews before, as people who are not victims, have also... more
I'm outraged! I'm offended!! — Frashavan, Wed Feb 29 08:06

The Universal sense of victimhood has definitely outlived its sell-by date. It's not going tyo go away, though. Too many people are too politically correct to challenge it. Eventually, when a real... more
People have to stop being a wet nurse to these babies (nm) — Baruch, Wed Feb 29 18:29

You won't get an argument from me. — Frashavan, Wed Feb 29 19:11

I rather agree with that old Don Henly song, "All this whinin' and cryin' and pitchin' a fit. Get over it, get over it!"
You can't move on ... — Baruch, Wed Feb 29 20:21

until you get over what happened before. It is PTSD ... but admittedly in the case of genocides, a pretty big PTSD. Now I am not saying, let bygones be bygones ... I wouldn't trust an anti-Semite... more
Some get did, and some get hid — Frashavan, Wed Feb 29 20:25

There is, of course, still racism and oppression going on. That's real, but it is also right now.
Not having known relatives in HaShoah ... — Baruch, Wed Feb 29 20:39

I don't have an ax to grind ... just that one has to keep clear who your enemies are and who your allies are, and that they change. As an American, I have to have a problem with authoritarianism in... more
Dang it — sai ram, Wed Feb 29 07:52

Baruch's cat just messed up my sentence by removing the word "jour"...it's soup de jour...scat you dang cat...scat.....sai ram
My cat attacked my typing a few posts ago too! (nm) — Baruch, Wed Feb 29 18:25

Too Calvinist for me — Frashavan, Wed Feb 29 07:35

I don't think that "all" sin, at least, not all the time.
Christian theologians considered it ... — Baruch, Wed Feb 29 18:16

ontological ritual defilement. I don't believe that either. But I don't also think that sin and criminality are the same. A criminal act takes certain deliberation and adult understanding of... more
"young millionaire" ... cat helping typing (nm) — Baruch, Wed Feb 29 07:08

Have you heard the Elaine Pagels has written — Frashavan, Wed Feb 29 06:46

... a new book on Revelation? IT seems pretty good, from the reviews...I will have to look for it. http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/books/2012/03/05/120305crbo_books_gopnik
No, but interesting book review ;-) — Baruch, Wed Feb 29 07:01

Pagels is less objective than Armstrong ... Pagels is crypto-Catholic if not Catholic. Armstrong is post-Anglican. While some of the things the book review claims she says, are old hat, I find some... more
A book best forgotten, IMHO — Frashavan, Wed Feb 29 07:06

I agree much of this isn't new, but it's not bad to get it out there. Of course the Fundies won't read it, but some of the less frothing-at-the-mouth type Christians will, and that could be a good... more
If the writing of even a single apocalyptic fantasy ... — Baruch, Wed Feb 29 07:19

means that all people everywhere, try to make it self-fulfilling, I can't just blame human stupidity, I have to think G-d is malicious, in spite of Einstein's opinion. Shalom
Collective human stupidity is far more dangerous... — MN_Morgan, Wed Feb 29 10:49

...than the stupidity of the individual. (Remember Babel) Everything is Knowledge mixed with Ignorance. Everyone finds a little self fulfillment in everything. We are given a choice to choose the... more
Well it is often said that G-d is a lot smarter than us ... — Baruch, Wed Feb 29 20:46

but I beware of using that as an excuse to not use our own smarts. Christianity and Islam, are much more anti-intellectual than Judaism, and when I hear that concept, I think more of them than myself ... more
Yes, never an excuse. — MN_Morgan, Thu Mar 1 12:20

After all, if we were given this brain, we're expected to use the thing! Those that attack intellectualism are grasping and holding tightly, enjoying their position and control a bit too much. I just ... more
No no ... — Baruch, Wed Feb 29 07:11

anyone can comment ... I wish Jews (NT) and Muslims (both) would comment more, and deconstruct the Hell out of it. The only way we can get any objectivity, is to listen to our critics, not our fans.... more
No, but interesting book review ;-) — Baruch, Wed Feb 29 07:00

Pagels is less objective than Armstrong ... Pagels is crypto-Catholic if not Catholic. Armstrong is post-Anglican. While some of the things the book review claims she says, are old hat, I find some... more
Possibly — Frashavan, Wed Feb 29 05:36

Behind the scenes I am sure that the USA is trying to encourage Israel to do just that, and arguing that it is Israel's interest to do so. Israel is prbably more reluctant than they appear, because... more
Re: Possibly — Mirage, Wed Feb 29 08:25

I don't think they will do it, and I hope to God I am right.
I hope so too.... — Frashavan, Wed Feb 29 08:30

I would be very happy to be wrong.
Re: I hope so too.... — Mirage, Wed Feb 29 09:14

There have been plenty of times I have strongly disagreed with Israel. However, I have ever considered them stupid over there. They'd have to be stupid and to assume they are stupid I think would be... more
Agree — Frashavan, Wed Feb 29 17:15

I'm sure they can make a rational assessment and will make a good decision. At least I hope so. But I do think they are under pressure to make an attack...
Re: Agree — Mirage, Wed Feb 29 19:36

Don't honestly think we are pressuring them, and Obama seems to be pressuring them not to do it, at least not yet. I realize there are always public statements and the real deal is not public, but I... more
Perhaps all smoke and mirrors ... — Baruch, Wed Feb 29 20:27

In the paper HaAretz in Israel yesterday, they reported that Mossad and Israeli Special Forces have already eliminated the Iranian nuclear equipment months ago (during those mysterious Iranian... more
Re: Perhaps all smoke and mirrors ... — Mirage, Thu Mar 1 01:26

Maybe but several of the newspapers have listed 4-5 specific targets they would want to hit. I'm guessing if those targets had already been hit Google map fans would have posted this all over the... more
That is old 20th century thinking ... — Baruch, Wed Feb 29 18:36

What if nation X does Y? Are we prepared to win? What if nation A combines with nation B to attack us? Can we handle two fronts? And the other guy is doing the same damn thing. This is why WW I and... more
Hitler believed .... — Frashavan, Wed Feb 29 19:08

... that he would have had a better chance of winning if he has attacked in 1938, instead of 1939. He was irate that Munich prevented the war he wanted, when he wanted it. I think his technical... more
Yes, 1938 might have made a big difference ... — Baruch, Wed Feb 29 20:33

but Hitler himself being such a liability, not just for micromanagement, but because of excessive confidence and anti-civilian policies in occupied countries (not just HaShoah) ... totally undermined ... more
Re: I hope so too.... — Mirage, Wed Feb 29 10:50

"ever" should be haven't ever of course. This is what happens when I write without sleep. I think they are probably very aware how other nations are likely or unlikely to respond. I think any help... more
Megadeath is megabad ... — Baruch, Wed Feb 29 06:46

the Iranians are not quite innocent, but are mostly so, provided they only enrich, but don't build. If the Iranians aren't cynical, but really want the Shia Mahdi ... then they are as crazy as the... more
The problem with sociopaths... — Frashavan, Wed Feb 29 06:51

... is that they are outwardly charming and very good manipulators; pretty much prerequisites for politicians! Having created a profession that is perfectly suited to sociopaths, can we be surprised... more
Wash, rinse, repeat — MN_Morgan, Wed Feb 29 11:03

Usually the public is too late in noticing this trend too, so we're not getting these chuckleheads out of office till they're screaming "The blood, Mother! The blood!"
Athens was wrong, Sparta was right ... — Baruch, Wed Feb 29 07:15

but then as a kshatria, I would think so ;-) Shalom
Were any of the actions by the Bush Jr regime ... — Baruch, Tue Feb 28 21:05

competently done? I think that may be a rhetorical question, because it really is a statement. Highly embarasing. But they have had to admit that parts of the returning dead soldiers over the last 10 ... more
I do feel their pain — Frashavan, Tue Feb 28 21:43

No one should be tormented like that. There was an article in one of the big magazines back in the Fall about the "Children of 9-11", the kids who were not born when their fathers died. I keep... more
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