FrashavanGood, and a few moreMon Mar 5, 2012 20:0918.104.22.168If God knows everything, then surely He already knows if I am saved or not. Why is he going through this elaborate charade of having me choose?
How can I make a choice, if God already knows what my choice will be? What sort of choice is that, when the outcome is already determined?
If God is all powerful, then why are sin and death allowed to exist? Surely, either God allows them, when He need not, which implies a level of unimaginable cruelty, or He causes them, which implies a fundamental inconsistency -- some might say, duplicity -- that makes His promises profoundly untrustworthy?
Why does God lie to Adam and Eve, when He is supposed to be Truth and Good, while the Serpent -- who Christians insist is a liar -- tells them the truth?
- Is your message for everyone, or just Christians? Mirage, Mon Mar 5 17:25Hello there. I am a Christian but I wasn't always a Christian and when I read this post I thought back to how I would have seen it before I was a Christian. If you are interested in non Christians at ... more
- Good, and a few more Frashavan, Mon Mar 5 20:09
- Just as contradictory as many Koranic verses! (nm) Kasey, Tue Mar 6 06:26
- Now that is why St Augustine of Hippo said .... Baruch, Mon Mar 5 20:27Hell was made for people who ask questions like that! Probably because those are questions the clergy have a hard time answering. I was married to clergy, and I can tell you from first hand... more
- The theologians and philosophers ruin... Frashavan, Mon Mar 5 21:07...faith and religion, both. They want to be clever, and impute to god all sorts of things that are no where attested. One of the things I find most hilarious about "Bible-believing" protestantism is ... more
- Well that is the fault of the Renaissance ... Baruch, Mon Mar 5 22:03is it not. Brought all those non-Christian Greek and Roman writers back into vogue ;-) Without the Renaissance (starting with Petrarch) and printing, there would be no Reformation. And without the... more
- In part, but that would let Catholic Orthodoxy off the hook Frashavan, Tue Mar 6 08:12They, also, share the pagan/philosophical conception of YHWH... but, of course, they have lots of extraneous influences. Identifying them was the main concern of the Protestants; a case of straining... more
- The requirements of nascent nationalism .... Baruch, Tue Mar 6 13:25required some kind of repudiation of Catholic internationalism. So excuses would have been made ... even if as insubstantial as the E Orthodox crossing themselves opposite to the Catholics. Since... more
- One sees that most clearly in... Frashavan, Tue Mar 6 15:46...Lutheranism and Anglicanism, both of which managed rapprochement with Eastern Orthodoxy, by conveniently overlooking all the things that RC and Orthodoxy have in common. A case of "the enemy of my ... more
- At one time during the Christian-Muslim conflicts .... Baruch, Tue Mar 6 23:42of the 16th century, the French and Venetians were allied with the Ottomans. But the Germans caught up to that, in the 20th century. Shalom
- The French were delusional and the Venetians opportunistic Frashavan, Wed Mar 7 07:57At that point in time, allying with the Ottomans was a foolish thing to do, since Europe was in real peril. By the time the Germans did it it was foolish for a different reason, since the Ottomans... more
- The Devil is in the details ... in any religion ... Baruch, Mon Mar 5 20:06Also in the past, I also benefited, by reducing my scope, to just red letter words in the NT I was reading back then ... and then having done that, expanded from there. Jesus centered understanding... more
- Deception unlimited! (nm) Kasey, Tue Mar 6 06:27
- Not necessarily ... Baruch, Tue Mar 6 13:41one can be both honest and mistaken ... or honest and variant (when truth is hard to nail down). Not everyone is dishonest, or even latitudinarian when hardness is required. Shalom
- Re: The Devil is in the details ... in any religion ... Mirage, Tue Mar 6 03:56I think it was good for me to learn on my own. It meant that if I didn't understand something I had to research it. It meant that I didn't have anyone summarizing it for me in a way I might not have... more
- I love you for that! Frashavan, Tue Mar 6 06:03You wrote: " I met the one that wants me to feed His sheep. That there is "works." I also read that part about faith without works being dead." Thanks for saying that...but, more importantly, thanks... more
- Re: I love you for that! Mirage, Tue Mar 6 07:44Thanks, I wish I did more about it than I have. I think maybe life without works is dead. I don't think a person has to be religious to understand. Religion though...I know Buddhism, Judaism, Hare... more
- Perhaps a religion without works ... Baruch, Tue Mar 6 13:29does deserve the title of being a mere cult. There have been a few of those. But I think without works, they don't last much past the founder. Shakers for example, are mostly noted for good... more
- To be fair, the Shakers had their good works taken away Frashavan, Tue Mar 6 15:51They used to provide a lot of social support -- orphans, abandoned families, the indigent elderly and sick, etc. Between the State taking over some of these jobs, and preventing others (such as... more
- I Agree Mirage, Tue Mar 6 21:09Works to the Shakers took many forms, and indeed I feel that they felt/feel that hard work itself is a form of works. I am not going to dismiss the beautiful crafts they made as meaningless because I ... more
- The recent electoral emphasis on sexuality ... Baruch, Tue Mar 6 23:40isn't bizarre at all. It is all about oppressing non-straight people, and women and children. Something that conservative men of all colors and class, can agree on. No one can be superior, unless... more
- Re: The recent electoral emphasis on sexuality ... Mirage, Wed Mar 7 00:31I actually can't agree with you that the Republican party elite has been particularly sexist in my lifetime. Condoleezza Rice remains the highest ranking female politician we've ever had. The... more
- The fruits of secularism Frashavan, Tue Mar 6 08:15And I don't mean the caricature that chat-show radio hosts go on about. If you live in time, in the world, then you inevitably spend more effort "where you live" so to speak. I think it's likely... more
- Modernity is still the primary religion in the West ... Baruch, Tue Mar 6 13:37that is why fundamentalism has sprung up everywhere, to resist it, and particularly the secularism and materialism that go along with modernity. But with post-modernity, what is that? I can only see... more
- Well, you may get to see that when Mitt gets elected (nm) Frashavan, Tue Mar 6 15:47
- It was Joseph Smith's prophecy ... Baruch, Tue Mar 6 23:31not long before he was lynched, that the Mormon Church would become the State Church, with himself as King rather than President. Monarchism and megalomania, have never been very popular in America,... more
- There's some evidence he had himself a secret coronation Frashavan, Wed Mar 7 07:51Actually, as your constitution is founded on a French misunderstanding of the British constitution (unwritten), it would work quite well as an arrangement for monarchial government, with only a small ... more