MirageRe: The Devil is in the details ... in any religion ...Tue Mar 6, 2012 03:56220.127.116.11I think it was good for me to learn on my own. It meant that if I didn't understand something I had to research it. It meant that I didn't have anyone summarizing it for me in a way I might not have agreed with if I'd read it all myself the first time with no preconceptions. I think I met a really different Jesus than this poster has met, I met the one that wants me to feed His sheep. That there is "works." I also read that part about faith without works being dead. I don't do enough works and I should be doing works regardless of whether it is necessary for salvation.
It remains God's prerogative to forgive anyone, even people who don't believe in Him, even people who break every rule there is and aren't sorry. If God for some reason decides to forgive such a person, surely He can. So I will never assume any person is in Hell. That doesn't mean I assume God forgives everyone. I can't read God's mind.
I'm glad the poster cares enough to try to save people from Hell, but I don't think his post is going to mean much to people who haven't ever gone to a church or read a Bible. Maybe he's not trying to reach them though. That's why I asked. I'm not trying to discourage him. It's just that if he has made this his mission I think he can't be very successful without talking to people and trying to answer some really tough questions they will ask.
I've never felt called to proselytize. I'd be really bad at it and drive people away even if I tried.
- The Devil is in the details ... in any religion ... Baruch, Mon Mar 5 20:06Also in the past, I also benefited, by reducing my scope, to just red letter words in the NT I was reading back then ... and then having done that, expanded from there. Jesus centered understanding... more
- Re: The Devil is in the details ... in any religion ... Mirage, Tue Mar 6 03:56
- I love you for that! Frashavan, Tue Mar 6 06:03You wrote: " I met the one that wants me to feed His sheep. That there is "works." I also read that part about faith without works being dead." Thanks for saying that...but, more importantly, thanks... more
- Re: I love you for that! Mirage, Tue Mar 6 07:44Thanks, I wish I did more about it than I have. I think maybe life without works is dead. I don't think a person has to be religious to understand. Religion though...I know Buddhism, Judaism, Hare... more
- Perhaps a religion without works ... Baruch, Tue Mar 6 13:29does deserve the title of being a mere cult. There have been a few of those. But I think without works, they don't last much past the founder. Shakers for example, are mostly noted for good... more
- To be fair, the Shakers had their good works taken away Frashavan, Tue Mar 6 15:51They used to provide a lot of social support -- orphans, abandoned families, the indigent elderly and sick, etc. Between the State taking over some of these jobs, and preventing others (such as... more
- I Agree Mirage, Tue Mar 6 21:09Works to the Shakers took many forms, and indeed I feel that they felt/feel that hard work itself is a form of works. I am not going to dismiss the beautiful crafts they made as meaningless because I ... more
- The recent electoral emphasis on sexuality ... Baruch, Tue Mar 6 23:40isn't bizarre at all. It is all about oppressing non-straight people, and women and children. Something that conservative men of all colors and class, can agree on. No one can be superior, unless... more
- Re: The recent electoral emphasis on sexuality ... Mirage, Wed Mar 7 00:31I actually can't agree with you that the Republican party elite has been particularly sexist in my lifetime. Condoleezza Rice remains the highest ranking female politician we've ever had. The... more
- The fruits of secularism Frashavan, Tue Mar 6 08:15And I don't mean the caricature that chat-show radio hosts go on about. If you live in time, in the world, then you inevitably spend more effort "where you live" so to speak. I think it's likely... more
- Modernity is still the primary religion in the West ... Baruch, Tue Mar 6 13:37that is why fundamentalism has sprung up everywhere, to resist it, and particularly the secularism and materialism that go along with modernity. But with post-modernity, what is that? I can only see... more
- Well, you may get to see that when Mitt gets elected (nm) Frashavan, Tue Mar 6 15:47
- It was Joseph Smith's prophecy ... Baruch, Tue Mar 6 23:31not long before he was lynched, that the Mormon Church would become the State Church, with himself as King rather than President. Monarchism and megalomania, have never been very popular in America,... more
- There's some evidence he had himself a secret coronation Frashavan, Wed Mar 7 07:51Actually, as your constitution is founded on a French misunderstanding of the British constitution (unwritten), it would work quite well as an arrangement for monarchial government, with only a small ... more
- Shh ... don't give the monarchists ideas! (nm) Baruch, Wed Mar 7 12:45