MirageRe: The recent electoral emphasis on sexuality ...Wed Mar 7, 2012 00:3220.127.116.11I actually can't agree with you that the Republican party elite has been particularly sexist in my lifetime. Condoleezza Rice remains the highest ranking female politician we've ever had. The Republicans have also had more gay people at high levels over the years although they don't ever announce it. I do think the everyday conservative is more conservative than the everyday liberal, but really, look at the record. My father had to have clearances for his work, and he did that job under multiple administrations. At one point he hired a man my mother told him she was pretty sure was gay. She didn't care except if he had had to take a polygraph that was one of the test questions ad if he failed it, they'd have to fire him if it turned out to be true. Well, that was a Democratic administration. When the next administration came in, it was Republican and the rule against hiring gays because they were supposedly blackmailable was loosened significantly. The new rule was no hiring closet gays, because they were potentially blackmailable. If they were openly gay, no problem. Not blackmailable. Being blackmailable was always supposedly the main concern. He was not supposed to hire anyone he knew was having an clandestine affair either. My father admitted he was rather surprised that the Republicans really did seem more concerned with blackmail than the Democrats, who were also concerned with what was then still considered a "character issue" by some people.
There's often a pretty wide gulf between party elite and constituents. A lot of people vote based on the assumption their party candidate shares their views. This is how Obama was elected and why so many people were stunned when he didn't favor gay marriage. He never has. They just figured liberal must be pro gay marriage. Wrongo, only one candidate of either party has said they favor it in recent elections. That was Wesley Clark. Several other candidates from both parties then and since have said they favor civil unions, which do not convey the same rights and benefits. Hilary is one of those. McCain waffled around a lot, and got an endorsement at one point from the Log Cabin Republicans (very powerful gay Republican group), who felt he was the most gay friendly Republican candidate and candidate of any party since Reagan, who famously wrote a letter in opposition to forbidding gays and lesbians from working as schoolteachers in California when he was Gov. They do not endorse all Republican Presidential candidates.
Historically neither party has defended the rights of children much beyond very basic child labor laws, applying to employment of children in our country only.
I consider myself an independent without a party. I am calling it like I see it, just as I do with Obama. Democratic administrations do not have a better recent track record regarding women, minorities, or children, though until recently they had a better track record with the disabled in recent decades prior to Obama. Until Obama the Republicans had an overall better record of non whites in the upper echelons levels of government also. You know I didn't like Dubya as President but his record there was pretty colorblind without making a big deal of it, and those people were highly qualified, not tokens. Rice was widely considered the highest qualified person ever to hold that position when she arrived on the scene. I didn't like her much either, but her resume was stellar and she was no marionette.
Remember also that conservative views are often extremely regional.
- The recent electoral emphasis on sexuality ... Baruch, Tue Mar 6 23:40isn't bizarre at all. It is all about oppressing non-straight people, and women and children. Something that conservative men of all colors and class, can agree on. No one can be superior, unless... more
- Re: The recent electoral emphasis on sexuality ... Mirage, Wed Mar 7 00:31
- I used to be a feminist ... Baruch, Wed Mar 7 06:35but the female political leader, including Ms Rice, are like men trapped in the bodies of women. Margaret Thatcher in particular. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Now if you want to argue... more
- Re: I used to be a feminist ... Mirage, Wed Mar 7 08:57Well in 1975 the Republican party was where you'd find most of the open atheists, all that past godless commie rhetoric aside. Engineering and science was where it was more possible to be atheist... more
- Well can we judge feminism ... Baruch, Wed Mar 7 12:42by femi-nazi extremes? Also Black women consider White women to not be true feminists either, because they are not true minority ... they are treated as country club feminists, by their Black... more
- Feminism MN_Morgan, Thu Mar 8 11:30There are those that want to castrate every man for being male, but feminism is not even remotely a dualistic issue, but a vast gradient of grays. The feminist blogs I follow on Tumblr just want the... more
- Re: Feminism Mirage, Thu Mar 8 23:16I don't consider myself a feminist. I do think women should be paid equally for equal work. I do think women do just fine in the Israeli army. I do think women have a right to say no, and so do men.... more
- You do make a point. MN_Morgan, Fri Mar 9 11:06Perhaps I am the one sexist here. :D
- Nah Mirage, Fri Mar 9 12:40I don't think you're sexist. Men are often afraid to complain about mistreatment they suffer. It's considered unmanly, and because of that it's often invisible. It never occurs to most people. You... more
- That is fair, and neither feminist nor sexist ... Baruch, Fri Mar 9 07:04while it isn't OK for men to whine about their condition, we are routinely discriminated against, by other men, for many reasons other than gender issues. Men are competitive and militant, and don't... more
- Well respect is to be expected ... Baruch, Thu Mar 8 17:37but not given as often as it should. But that should be because of shared humanity, not because of a particular gender. I also believe, that women objectify men as well, though of course in a gender... more
- Re: Well respect is to be expected ... Mirage, Thu Mar 8 23:37I got kind of sick of being a piggybank too once. :( When you said women objectify men I thought until I read further that you were referring to sexual objectification, and that does exist. That... more
- "father's looks and the mother's intelligence" Baruch, Fri Mar 9 06:59Now who is being sexist ... hmm? Your personal anecdotes show good self awareness, and hence are precious. Yes, even handsome men, are not as beautiful as plane looking women ... in the eyes of both... more
- Re: "father's looks and the mother's intelligence" Mirage, Fri Mar 9 10:54No, the father's looks and mothers intelligence is not my personal idea, it is what geneticists have been saying for a couple decades now. I keep up with that stuff in honor of my mother. My sister... more
- That's because... Frashavan, Wed Mar 7 07:48...all our politicians know that the military situations they keep creating are untenable and the political situation really doesn't justify military intervention, and they don't want to let the... more