MirageRe: I used to be a feminist ...Wed Mar 7, 2012 08:57188.8.131.52Well in 1975 the Republican party was where you'd find most of the open atheists, all that past godless commie rhetoric aside. Engineering and science was where it was more possible to be atheist openly than most other places and that was heavily conservative in the space program, it really was. Cold War, you know? The religious at that time were busy putting Carter into office because he was very devout, and they wrongly assumed, like people often do of me, that as a Christian he was going to act in predictable ways regarding abortion and other things. He failed them. After that some of them got busy putting Reagan into office, but they hadn't been paying much attention to his history of defending gay school teachers apparently. Again they assumed that despite Reagan's Hollywood background he was clearly a devout man and well, not a peanut farmer, so they would be able to make deals with him. That too did not work out well. Both of those Presidents frequently referred to religion in public, but lo and behold, neither of them reliably adhered to either party line or the traditionalist religion line, even though both of them personally were deeply uncomfortable with abortion.
There were all sorts of religious issues that the conservative religious wanted to become federal law, and there still are. Gays in the military, equal rights for gays, abortion choice, formal equal rights for women, lots of things they wanted the President and the Supreme Court to etch into stone according to their preference, meaning no. They were of course opposed by other more liberal but, this being America, also mostly religious people of some sort who want to etch it all into stone in the opposite direction. In that sense, nothing has changed, but it's come to the forefront now. Note that all most likely candidates in this latest race are people that the conservative religious can have hopes they will be able to work with. Honestly, there is nothing nefarious or unethical for people to vote for candidates they believe share their values. Separation of church and state does not mean individuals must ignore their feelings about the moral or spiritual feelings about the candidate. Our elections are usually very close. That itself is proof that even when it is entirely legal to vote based on religious views, we do still have freedom of religion. If we had anything close to a state church,even unofficially, we'd have landslides.
If we do someday have Mormonism as a state church, or any other faith, what it will mean is the people who wanted that actually turned out to vote. Anyone who doesn't want a state church really needs to vote. Btw most of the famous preachers on TV do not want a state church, because it might be the wrong church. There are some very distinct groups who oppose separation of church and state, but there as many that fear losing it as much as atheists do. Visit a bunch of conservative religious websites, and you can see this for yourself. I have.
Thatcher a man trapped in a woman's body? I think you have very old stereotypes of women. Do you know that during the first Gulf War, in polls women overwhelmingly wanted us to march right into Baghdad and finish it? It was men polled who felt the loss of life would be immense and we might fail. The men were probably right there, btw.
Ms. Rice has long been rumored to be a lesbian but I think whether she is or not is totally irrelevant. If you read her wiki bio, I don't think maintaining a marriage would have been possible for her. She was always very busy being awarded something, impressing people with her knowledge, etc. To some degree Hilary is the same and I think she and Bill were for a very long time more business and political partners than romantic.
I've never really been a feminist because by the time I came along there was a lot of disparaging of men and I was also disappointed that several feminist guys I have known were told by feminists they cannot be feminists because they are male. That's bad.
- I used to be a feminist ... Baruch, Wed Mar 7 06:35but the female political leader, including Ms Rice, are like men trapped in the bodies of women. Margaret Thatcher in particular. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Now if you want to argue... more
- Re: I used to be a feminist ... Mirage, Wed Mar 7 08:57
- Well can we judge feminism ... Baruch, Wed Mar 7 12:42by femi-nazi extremes? Also Black women consider White women to not be true feminists either, because they are not true minority ... they are treated as country club feminists, by their Black... more
- Feminism MN_Morgan, Thu Mar 8 11:30There are those that want to castrate every man for being male, but feminism is not even remotely a dualistic issue, but a vast gradient of grays. The feminist blogs I follow on Tumblr just want the... more
- Re: Feminism Mirage, Thu Mar 8 23:16I don't consider myself a feminist. I do think women should be paid equally for equal work. I do think women do just fine in the Israeli army. I do think women have a right to say no, and so do men.... more
- You do make a point. MN_Morgan, Fri Mar 9 11:06Perhaps I am the one sexist here. :D
- Nah Mirage, Fri Mar 9 12:40I don't think you're sexist. Men are often afraid to complain about mistreatment they suffer. It's considered unmanly, and because of that it's often invisible. It never occurs to most people. You... more
- Both sexes won't admit to abuse ... Baruch, Fri Mar 9 12:57though of course the most common kind is verbal or emotional. Men are just better at being stoic ... though women hide nearly as well ... I think the woman to woman communication is more open than... more
- That is fair, and neither feminist nor sexist ... Baruch, Fri Mar 9 07:04while it isn't OK for men to whine about their condition, we are routinely discriminated against, by other men, for many reasons other than gender issues. Men are competitive and militant, and don't... more
- Well respect is to be expected ... Baruch, Thu Mar 8 17:37but not given as often as it should. But that should be because of shared humanity, not because of a particular gender. I also believe, that women objectify men as well, though of course in a gender... more
- Re: Well respect is to be expected ... Mirage, Thu Mar 8 23:37I got kind of sick of being a piggybank too once. :( When you said women objectify men I thought until I read further that you were referring to sexual objectification, and that does exist. That... more
- "father's looks and the mother's intelligence" Baruch, Fri Mar 9 06:59Now who is being sexist ... hmm? Your personal anecdotes show good self awareness, and hence are precious. Yes, even handsome men, are not as beautiful as plane looking women ... in the eyes of both... more
- Re: "father's looks and the mother's intelligence" Mirage, Fri Mar 9 10:54No, the father's looks and mothers intelligence is not my personal idea, it is what geneticists have been saying for a couple decades now. I keep up with that stuff in honor of my mother. My sister... more
- I was speaking as a male ... Baruch, Fri Mar 9 12:48but since all women are part male, it has to partly apply to them as well ;-) Just ribbing you? I tend to think my daughter looks like her mother, and her mother says our daughter looks like me ...... more
- lol Mirage, Fri Mar 9 12:59I went to yuppie/trad schools. The dads were all cleanshaven and GQish, even the Jewish dads.
- And why those findings are interesting... Mirage, Fri Mar 9 11:25Rich men like Donald Trump often marry models or beauty queens. Famous models and actresses often go for rich guys even if they have a lot of money themselves. Think of Diana. If these findings by... more
- That's because... Frashavan, Wed Mar 7 07:48...all our politicians know that the military situations they keep creating are untenable and the political situation really doesn't justify military intervention, and they don't want to let the... more