BaruchGermans were most negatively impacted ...Wed Mar 7, 2012 12:2064.217.19.24by Papal interference in German affairs, and in particular under Charles V (who was in power when Luther broke free). If the German Emperor hadn't been a Spaniard trying to out-Catholic the Italians, and had seized the initiative, the Germans could have integrated earlier and jumped ahead of France earlier. In which case, they could have allied with the Ottomans while they were still a power to be reckoned with. As it was, the need for Phillip II, son of Charles V, to spend a lot of his resources in the Mediterranean, fending off the Turks, helped preserve Dutch and English independence. So in part I can thank the Sublime Porte, that N America speaks English instead of Spanish.
- The French were delusional and the Venetians opportunistic Frashavan, Wed Mar 7 07:57At that point in time, allying with the Ottomans was a foolish thing to do, since Europe was in real peril. By the time the Germans did it it was foolish for a different reason, since the Ottomans... more
- Germans were most negatively impacted ... Baruch, Wed Mar 7 12:20