BaruchPregnant women are people ...Mon Mar 12, 2012 18:16188.8.131.52but are special people, because of the baby. And unfortunately if you open the door a crack, a whole semi drives thru. Thus the move to declare all women of a certain age, pre-pregnant ... that at any given time, you can't tell easily, that a woman isn't pregnant already. There is the same conflict in Indian culture. There is a general dharma ... what everyone should do or not do ... and a specific dharma according to your caste. And the specific dharma, as argued in the Gita, superceeds the general dharma. Since Arjuna is a warrior, his job is to kill when appropriate, even if this means violating his sense of general dharma ... that it is wrong to kill relatives and teachers. So in Indian terms, women are in a separate caste in the US, just as they are in India. In fact one could argue that America is India, but with a simplistic set of castes. And as society mobility becomes impossible, this becomes more true. So really, the intent of the 1% is to become maharajas. With an "established" religion, you get brahmins. With a volunteer military, where sons tend to follow fathers, you get warriors. With inherited wealth, you get merchants. And we know that America is big on pariahs ... you were just discussing Goth youth. That leaves most of us as day labor ... aka Sudras.
In India, the women make up a separate hierarchy of caste ... a Brahmin woman superior to a Warrior woman (actually married to a warrior) for example, but all women being inferior to all men in general. And those that don't fit in either hierarchy, such as gays ... are all pariahs. How could this not be so, since both rabbinic Judaism and catholic Christianity, are actually Indian derived?
- Somewhat related... Mirage, Mon Mar 12 17:11http://ideas.time.com/2012/03/07/subject-for-debate-are-women-people/ Jessica Winter argues that women are not always considered people. Rather bitter humor.
- Empowering... MN_Morgan, Tue Mar 13 12:17Now, I've considered myself one with all beings, all space, all planets, and the trees, the land, and the rocks, but I would not call myself a rock.
- As a geologist, and fan of the Horta ... Baruch, Tue Mar 13 12:56I find that rather prejudiced ;-) Shalom
- Oh great, I'm racist against rock-based people. :( (nm) MN_Morgan, Tue Mar 13 15:37
- "Dammit, Jim! I'm a doctor not a bricklayer!" (nm) Frashavan, Tue Mar 13 14:41
- Pregnant women are people ... Baruch, Mon Mar 12 18:16
- Re: Pregnant women are people ... Mirage, Mon Mar 12 19:16I've always had difficulty categorizing things or people. I remember when we learned about the caste system my sister and I tried to figure out what caste our family would be but we got confused... more
- My joy is great ... Baruch, Mon Mar 12 21:34my foolishness, has caused a ring to radiate outward ;-) My splashing about has not been the mere vanity of a self important rain drop, who thinks it caused the thunderstorm. Well we don't have as... more
- More like the Incas Frashavan, Mon Mar 12 20:46There are the Children of Gold, and the rest of us.... :(
- I would say there is more than a little turth to that Frashavan, Mon Mar 12 17:25It makes me very sad...
- Me too (nm) Mirage, Mon Mar 12 17:39