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MN_Morgan

Re: Synesthesia

Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:45

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I wonder if you can get paired sensations that are atypical from visual data too? Like with extremely abstract art.

I've seen some designs that literally make my eyes and teeth itch and I wonder if certain designs would pop up consistent under testing every time.

I've not studied it, so I'm certainly curious.

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• Reflections on the latest blunder .... — Frashavan, Sun Mar 11 06:27
  The only thing I think he got wrong was the bit about how Americnas would react if a bunch of Mulsims, who happened to be stationed on US soil for the duration, happened to burn some copies of the... more
• • What this showed — sai ram, Sun Mar 11 09:53
    the burning of the Quran whether intentional or not and the resulting violent protest afterwards...showed really one thing...that islam isn't a religion of peace.....rather just the... more
  • • No one has a monopoly of peace; no one has one of war (nm) — Frashavan, Sun Mar 11 18:57
    • • Vike: How is your ex doing? — Mirage, Mon Mar 12 17:00
        I hope she is feeling some better.
      • • Her ankle is mending nicely — Frashavan, Mon Mar 12 17:24
          Her Bell's Palsy will take longer because they were slow to strat treatment, plus having fibromyalgia is a complication.
        • • Re: Her ankle is mending nicely — Mirage, Mon Mar 12 17:30
            It's unfortunate that a lot of times diagnosis is tricky enough that by the time the diagnosis can be made, the treatment should have started earlier. I've had that experience myself. She will remain ... more
          • • Thanks so much — Frashavan, Mon Mar 12 17:47
              I really appreciate it. The neurologist refused to answer the pages from the Emerg and the Internist for 3 days.
      • The First World is superior ... — Baruch, Sun Mar 11 20:46
        only because it has superior means of war. This was not so apparent in the days of Great Khan the Mongol Horde, or the Janissaries of the Sultan. The irony of the West, is because of amnesia, we... more
      • • Amen to that — MN_Morgan, Mon Mar 12 14:00
          Though, we certainly have a propensity for pissing people off with our big mouths and even bigger foreign policy stick.
        • • Arrogance leads to a bad end ... — Baruch, Mon Mar 12 18:07
            just ask the French aristocracy. Shalom
          • • But the Wall Street bankers.... — Frashavan, Mon Mar 12 18:13
              ...keep ignoring the sound of guillotine blades being sharpened in the shadows.
            • • That's because they think they are safe — Mirage, Mon Mar 12 18:59
                Swiss bank accounts in case of emergency.
              • • Fools say in their heart ... — Baruch, Mon Mar 12 21:42
                  that there is no retribution. They may escape before death, but none escape death. This may be as impersonal as karma, or as personal as Last Judgement. Pharaoh tried, but you really can't take it... more
              • The ultimate arrogance ... — Baruch, Mon Mar 12 18:20
                is that the aristocracy will pirouette on a dime when necessary, and assume the role of revolutionary cadre ... the people never noticing. The whole point is to remain in power, no matter the... more
              • • It's easier for the faceless middle and lower aristos — Frashavan, Tue Mar 13 18:36
                  The people at the top, the Kohn brothers, Trump and the like, are too obvious. Phillipe L'Egalite also managed it, at first, but he was not in the direct succession. He lost his head, too, before the ... more
                • • Our financial aristocray wants control .... — Kasey, Thu Mar 15 22:11
                    of the press, not press control, in their quest for continuation of manipulation of public opinion and ultimately our governments-both State and Federal. Regards, Kasey
                  • I know of no one who has ... (nm) — Baruch, Tue Mar 13 21:47
  • Tit for Tat ... — Baruch, Sun Mar 11 09:26
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-17330205 But I don't think this is ordered from the top, a guy simply broke down over there from PTSD, when they usually break down when they get over here.... more
  • • Wonder how many Qurans — sai ram, Sun Mar 11 09:55
      have been burned up in missiles strikes?.....sai ram
    • • That is the irony ... — Baruch, Sun Mar 11 20:49
        the value of even one human being, who are routinely killed in those strikes, is worth a million Qurans. Shalom
      • • But there's no point protesting the deaths of innocents! — Frashavan, Mon Mar 12 16:18
          No one cares...now, if they were fetuses, maybe. :(
        • • All part of on-going White supremacy ... — Baruch, Mon Mar 12 18:05
            see my post above to our new visitor ... history doesn't pass, it layers. Ask a geologist. And yes, quite a few of our drone victims are innocent as defined in a court of law. Collateral damage of... more
          • • History is always layers — Frashavan, Mon Mar 12 18:15
              It's a good analogy.... and, since everything isn't fossilized, all interpretations of history are, necessarily, fragmentary.
            • • We wish some people were innocuous fossils ... — Baruch, Mon Mar 12 18:18
                but alas, the T-Rex still walks among us, in a stylish and expensive three-piece suite from Italy. But I shall never be a sloth, though my wife accused me ;-) This also means that history is like an... more
              • • That's why some people get eaten alive by history (nm) — Frashavan, Mon Mar 12 18:19
                • • This is going to sound weird but... — Mirage, Tue Mar 13 02:29
                    I am not sure what you mean by people being eaten alive by history, but for some reason, that sounds like a really beautiful death to me. I don't want to be remembered. What did you mean by it?
                  • • I was thinking... — Frashavan, Tue Mar 13 09:31
                      ...of the Irish, for example, who frequently allow the long history of wrongs and struggles to overwhelm them...or the Serbs and Croats who do the same. It's a terribly destructive thing. Some people ... more
                    • • I relate better to the oppressed than the oppressors ... — Baruch, Tue Mar 13 12:54
                        but I know I am both. A double depression ;-( Buddhism studies have helped me with this. I think that moksha or nirvana, is more difficult, not so much if one is remembered, as if oneself remembers.... more
                      • • Romy and Michele's High School Reunion — Frashavan, Tue Mar 13 14:40
                          ...had it right, basically, we all end up hurting others, but we are to wrapped up in our own misery to notice it.
                  • We all do ... — Baruch, Mon Mar 12 18:23
                    all fall into the gaping maw of Kali aka Chronos/Saturn. All end up the same, but all struggle to do so with more pride than others. With reincarnation, this is a bad bargain, because you always have ... more
          • Somewhat related... — Mirage, Mon Mar 12 17:11
            http://ideas.time.com/2012/03/07/subject-for-debate-are-women-people/ Jessica Winter argues that women are not always considered people. Rather bitter humor.
          • • Empowering... — MN_Morgan, Tue Mar 13 12:17
              Now, I've considered myself one with all beings, all space, all planets, and the trees, the land, and the rocks, but I would not call myself a rock.
            • • As a geologist, and fan of the Horta ... — Baruch, Tue Mar 13 12:56
                I find that rather prejudiced ;-) Shalom
              • • Oh great, I'm racist against rock-based people. :( (nm) — MN_Morgan, Tue Mar 13 15:37
                • "Dammit, Jim! I'm a doctor not a bricklayer!" (nm) — Frashavan, Tue Mar 13 14:41
            • Pregnant women are people ... — Baruch, Mon Mar 12 18:16
              but are special people, because of the baby. And unfortunately if you open the door a crack, a whole semi drives thru. Thus the move to declare all women of a certain age, pre-pregnant ... that at... more
            • • Re: Pregnant women are people ... — Mirage, Mon Mar 12 19:16
                I've always had difficulty categorizing things or people. I remember when we learned about the caste system my sister and I tried to figure out what caste our family would be but we got confused... more
              • • My joy is great ... — Baruch, Mon Mar 12 21:34
                  my foolishness, has caused a ring to radiate outward ;-) My splashing about has not been the mere vanity of a self important rain drop, who thinks it caused the thunderstorm. Well we don't have as... more
                • More like the Incas — Frashavan, Mon Mar 12 20:46
                  There are the Children of Gold, and the rest of us.... :(
                • • The problem with being Children of the Sun ... — Baruch, Mon Mar 12 21:39
                    who have that skin of gold, whether Egyptian or Inca ... is that they burn up. But that is also part of necessary duality between fuel and fire. Some provide, others consume. Each fulfills their... more
            • I would say there is more than a little turth to that — Frashavan, Mon Mar 12 17:25
              It makes me very sad...
            • • Me too (nm) — Mirage, Mon Mar 12 17:39
  • Re: Reflections on the latest blunder .... — Mirage, Sun Mar 11 09:07
    I've been seeing people burning our flag on TV and YouTube for years. Sometimes they are our own citizens, sometimes they are people we are fighting or their allies, and sometimes they are protesters ... more
  • • Re: Reading, Learnings, and Burnings — MN_Morgan, Sun Mar 11 12:03
      When I first converted, I read the whole thing from cover to cover before going back into the nitty gritties...but it's so easy to listen to the guys in the pulpit who inflate one or two verses for... more
    • • I have told my students not to read the textbook, too — Frashavan, Mon Mar 12 15:32
        Not joking though. I find many of the textbooks are written in an way that discourages students from finding anything easily, and they lack the skills to find things when it's difficult... when I try ... more
      • • Textbooks, like war, are a racket ;-( — Baruch, Mon Mar 12 21:48
          A real teacher knows and understands their material, and simply uses what is at appropriately at hand, to do whatever needs to be done. The goal of textbook publishers isn't to educate, but to simply ... more
        • Don't blame you — Mirage, Mon Mar 12 16:52
          My textbooks were so riddled with political distortions they were ridiculous sometimes. Feynman managed to get himself on the committee that selects textbooks at one point, and wrote about that... more
        • Yeah, I could see that — MN_Morgan, Mon Mar 12 15:54
          Luckily, our school was pretty good about keeping up the science books. My teacher kept a fire under their butts, though (hooray for Bunsen burners ;D). Now, he never used the questions or the labs... more
      • Re: Reading, Learnings, and Burnings — Mirage, Sun Mar 11 16:27
        When I was in grade school, a lot of the teachers would show us the movie after we read the book. I was never sure if that was a reward, or if the teachers felt kids wouldn't understand the book... more
      • • What? A dull tome of epistemology doesn't inspire? Pshah! (nm) — Baruch, Sun Mar 11 20:48
      • A sad truth you speak ... — Baruch, Sun Mar 11 14:54
        they have the ability to read, but don't, not even their own scriptures. Was too busy watching Waisting Time With The Stars on TV. Shalom
      • • An interesting fact — Frashavan, Mon Mar 12 15:54
          Most native English speakers find it easier to read a passage from the King James Bible, with comprehension, than to read a passage from Shakespeare with comprehension -- even though the two texts... more
        • • Wow, that's fascinating. (nm) — Mirage, Mon Mar 12 16:53
          • • Some theorize that... — Frashavan, Mon Mar 12 17:29
              ... it is because, for so long, the Bible was the only book most people had access to, and read, that the cadence and turns of phrase have become the subtext of all English with any kind of... more
            • • Re: Some theorize that... — Mirage, Mon Mar 12 17:54
                That actually rings true to me on a gut level. There are also studies that show that music heard in the womb is strongly preferred later in life, so if the mother is a churchgoer, perhaps the words... more
              • • My youngest son... — Frashavan, Mon Mar 12 17:59
                  ...is autistic, and very sensitive to sound. He has an almost unerring sense of good music, reacting well and strongly to classics of all genres, and wanting anything he doesn't like "off!" as soon... more
                • • Re: Austism — MN_Morgan, Tue Mar 13 12:47
                    That's not uncommon. The boy I watch after school loves certain genres of music, and some things just overstimulate him to the point where he will get aggressive.
                  • • War dances, like the Irish jig, are meant to do that ;-) (nm) — Baruch, Tue Mar 13 12:57
                  • I wonder if this is related — Mirage, Mon Mar 12 18:06
                    My mother had perfect pitch, but certain harmonies were literally painful to her. For example several songs by The Who hurt her ears. We tried to figure out a pattern so as not to cause her... more
                  • • Autistic children often experience... — Frashavan, Mon Mar 12 18:11
                      sense stimuli as pain, if it beyond their threshold level, or there is some other trigger. It could be something like that for your mom; a type of synesthesia
                    • • Oooh might be — Mirage, Mon Mar 12 18:57
                        My mother never indicated she had the sort of sensations I do but it might not have occurred to her if she had it that she was unusual. I have actually been diagnosed with synesthesia, but I thought... more
                      • • Re: Synesthesia — MN_Morgan, Tue Mar 13 12:45
                        • • Re: Synesthesia — Mirage, Wed Mar 14 03:45
                            Synesthesia perceptions aren't necessarily consistent between different people, but for the same person it tends to be consistent. For example, a lot of people with synesthesia perceive letters to be ... more
                          • Certain light patterns are know to trigger epilepsy ... BTW (nm) — Baruch, Tue Mar 13 12:55
                          • • I was referring more to still images — MN_Morgan, Tue Mar 13 15:45
                              It's only certain ones, and I can't quite pinpoint what about them actually triggers it.
                            • • Not just color of light, but polarization ... — Baruch, Tue Mar 13 18:14
                                I used to have a pair of sunglasses, that whenever my ex put them on, immediately gave her pain, but did nothing bad for me. The light was different in effect, for two different people ... just the... more
                        • I hope neither of you put stock ... — Baruch, Tue Mar 13 03:10
                          in the idea, that these experiences of synesthesia etal, are abnormal, except in a statistical sense. In my pure empirical approach, there isn't a single reality, so if you see colors in addition to... more
                        • • It's atypical, but not abnormal. — Mirage, Tue Mar 13 06:08
                            I forget most of the time that I have it. I've perceived things that way ever since I can remember. A friend of mine told me once it comes out in my poetry. It's not that rare, apparently.
                        • Does he have dyslexia too? — Mirage, Mon Mar 12 19:08
                          I do and have wondered if they are linked or commonly found together.
                        • • It's a bit hard to say, yet — Frashavan, Tue Mar 13 09:41
                            he's still learning to read and write, so some letter reversals are normal. I have dyslexia/dysgraphia, but only have rare moments of synesthesia. (not that he and eye are genetically related, anyway)
        • Religion can be an inducement to read, though. — Mirage, Sun Mar 11 16:48
          The people who can quote chapter and verse have generally read the Bible many times. In the days when laypeople were discouraged from reading or translating the Bible, vernacular Bibles emerged... more
        • • True enough ... — Baruch, Sun Mar 11 20:43
            that was once the great purpose of Sunday School. It was for adults, not children ... to teach the illiterate to read. Of course the Quran and Torah have served that same purpose for centuries. The... more
          • • More on Reading — MN_Morgan, Mon Mar 12 13:52
              I read in National Geographic that some Scottish towns that solely spoke Gaelic would learn English from the Bible and from the church. This is the problem I have with crooked clergy. They take... more
            • • This is a universal problem ... — Baruch, Mon Mar 12 18:38
                800 years ago, the Japanese nobleman, Dogen, who was already a Buddhist monk, went to China to find someone who could teach him "real" Buddhism. He didn't think he could find it in his own country,... more
              • Re: More on Reading — Mirage, Mon Mar 12 14:31
                Abraham Lincoln also taught himself to read from a Bible. I can understand that depending on the beliefs of the people at a church, there might be candidates those people tend to prefer, but yeah, I... more
              • • More so ... — Baruch, Mon Mar 12 21:45
                  G-d, charity and spiritual work, are what life is supposed to be about. This is why materialism and egotism will always fail, because they are what death is about. Shalom
    • post-modern = 2nd stone age — Baruch, Sun Mar 11 09:31
      Post-literate is a good description of the US. Just look at the drop in books (hard, soft, electronic). The drop in readership of newspapers ... isn't as indicative, since I think they were always... more
    • • Re: post-modern = 2nd stone age — Mirage, Sun Mar 11 09:36
        You never know where great art will come from.
      • • In history it has come from institutional religion ... — Baruch, Sun Mar 11 21:00
          sponsoring it, and royal courts sponsoring it ... because it takes a great expense to make it, or to keep a lot of artistic talent hanging around. Our secular mechantilist plebian age is anti-art.... more
        • • Re: In history it has come from institutional religion ... — Mirage, Sun Mar 11 21:47
            Don't forget the incredible beautiful things which have been created by outsider artists, such as the Watts Tower. If I had a choice between visiting either the Sistine Chapel or Don Justo's... more
          • • Saw a program on him once ... — Baruch, Sun Mar 11 22:04
              he is certainly inspired, as was the Watts Tower guy. But you know what, in conventional terms, I am talking about. They are both unconventional architects. Self-taught. Your reaction to art is very... more
  • Deliberate, not a blunder ... — Baruch, Sun Mar 11 08:32
    after being in Afghanistan, for over 10 years now, they didn't do this, without knowing what they were doing, from the White House on down. All an act, designed to pressure Karzai ... in the midst of ... more
  • • It may not be, but it's stupid — Frashavan, Sun Mar 11 18:55
      Was today's massacre of sleeping women and children an order or just someone running amuk? I would like soldiers to disobey such orders, or at least, creatively implement them. It won't happen,... more
    • • Re: It may not be, but it's stupid — Mirage, Sun Mar 11 22:01
        US soldiers are required and expected to refuse and report improper orders. Doing so takes a great deal of courage, but some have done it, and paid whatever price resulted. I think this is someone... more
      • • He had already toured in Iraq ... — Baruch, Sun Mar 11 22:08
          and this was his first time in Afghanistan. If we were doing the Vietnam war style rotation, he would never had had to go to Afghanistan. Our professional forces are overtasked, to the destruction of ... more
        • • Re: He had already toured in Iraq ... — Mirage, Mon Mar 12 01:20
            Most of these guys are pretty young, and I don't think they get there's enough attention paid to morale. Seems like every time someone cracks the world paints the rest of our guys with the same... more
      • I am thankful for the assistance of the ... — Baruch, Sun Mar 11 20:56
        Canadian military. But it seems mostly our interaction has been friendly fire that killed Canadians, early in the Afghan war ;-( Saw a Youtube this past week, with ground troops (British?) having a... more
    • Well mybe not — sai ram, Sun Mar 11 10:00
      while maybe we have been there for 10 years the soldiers haven't been.....don't know their background but some might have been there only months andmore than likely late teens......and having been... more

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