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Mirage
Re: Well
Wed Mar 28, 2012 17:36
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In my death punk days I wore a hefty bag dress(new and clean, mind you) with an orange extension cord belt and loops of film tied in my hair to the bank. I had spike bracelets too. Hadn't intended to go there dressed like that, but my dad was going to the bank and asked me to go with him, so I did. This is California, so a couple people maybe blinked but nothing else happened. Banks will serve you. Money wins in banks. Those cameras they have are always on no matter what you wear.

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"Where Are Our White Faith Leaders? " — Frashavan, Tue Mar 27 07:21

"Why were white clergy so reluctant to engage in this issue? [the murder of Trayvon Martin] It may be because they lead suburban congregations composed by and large of parishioners whose daily lives... more
They do know why ... — Baruch, Sat Apr 7 08:14

same reason why synagogues, and not White churches, assisted Black churches, during the Civil Rights movement. Church is where Americans are most self segregated (aside from private country clubs),... more
Is it wrong of me to hope for better?? — Frashavan, Sun Apr 8 10:49

I know. It's quite obvious, actually... but one would expect better of people, after all this time. :(
People don't change much ... — Baruch, Sun Apr 8 14:30

progress is an Anglo-Saxon prejudice, based on Anglo-American Israelitism manifest destiny (irresistible teleology). By all means hope, but don't have that hope as your sole backing when you go to... more
Justice delayed is Justice denied — Frashavan, Fri Mar 30 07:44

It seems that you feel that everyone should just wait. But if people don't speak up, they enable such wrongs to continue and to spread... Urging moderation isn't a bad idea, but there is nothing to... more
Hits the nail on the head for me. (nm) — MN_Morgan, Fri Mar 30 11:27

Was this for me? — Mirage, Fri Mar 30 11:19

In that case there is a confession. In this case the person accused is saying he was assaulted and feared for his life. There are several witnesses, who disagree on what happened. A new video which... more
The Press — sai ram, Tue Apr 3 10:47

the Press/media are wanting to string this case along....they publish a much younger picture of the victim to build sympathy..to inflame...and keep publishing it....the public bites on the bait and... more
people were shot in oakland — Mirage, Tue Apr 3 12:52

Christian college, most victims Koreans and Korean-Americans. Shooter also Korean-American, ex student, had lost his brother recently in the war. Shooter turned himself in but I don't think they know ... more
the FBI has no business — sai ram, Tue Apr 3 17:03

being involved with this case!.....its all politics...Obama should have kept his nose out of it....I certainly don't know what happened...it very well could be that both at some level of fault. Only... more
not you, specifically — Frashavan, Fri Mar 30 16:43

I see your points. I just think people do need to speak up.
Re: not you, specifically — Mirage, Fri Mar 30 21:38

I think I am speaking up. I'm saying some unpopular stuff, though, along with the popular stuff. I don't want to, but I have to. I can't support lynch mobs. I don't support lynch mobs in any form,... more
What I did — Mirage, Fri Mar 30 13:15

I did a substitution. I imagined what if the watch captain was black and shot a white guy he thought had a gun. I realized I would have a strong urge to take the side of the black watch captain, that ... more
the problem with that is... — Frashavan, Fri Mar 30 17:03

I have heard of 6'5", 240lbs police officers claim that they were assaulted and in peril of life and limb from 4'10, 90lbs girls who were already in handcuffs. It boggles the mind, yet they offer... more
Re: the problem with that is... — Mirage, Fri Mar 30 20:52

He shouldn't have been armed according to the Neighborhood Watch handbook, and at least two watch captains have written articles about how many guidelines he was breaking. The manual is online if... more
Maybe waiting for facts instead of emotional release — Mirage, Wed Mar 28 01:42

Well the President said to do some soul searching, so I have, and it's awfully hard to do when there are so many conflicting articles from major papers, so many rumors, so many facts that are not... more
I would have — sai ram, Wed Mar 28 09:34

If I decided to be a neighborhood watch guy.....I would carry a gun as well...(Don't own one)...since alot of types I might be on the look out for carry them as well....and most wouldn't hestitate to ... more
Never ever approach them. — Mirage, Wed Mar 28 09:44

It's not your job and all kinds of things happen when people try to be heroes.
But, the point is... — Frashavan, Wed Mar 28 07:16

...not what happened in this, particular case. These kinds of shooting have been going on a while, and the Black and Latino communities have lost a lot of boys and young men, wrongfully. Of course,... more
Re: But, the point is... — Mirage, Wed Mar 28 10:03

Both families are in agony. Do we want to show sympathy for the Hispanic one or the African American one? I feel bad for both families, and both have received death threats, which always happens.... more
The black community — sai ram, Wed Mar 28 10:16

The black community is out protesting this...far away from where it happened and the protests can't effect what happens in the Florida town. What the black community needs to protest is how this... more
Re: The black community — Mirage, Wed Mar 28 10:25

Hopefully you wouldn't follow him. Hopefully you wouldn't have a gun with you, and you're well out of your 20s so you're probably less likely to overreact. You would probably call the police only if... more
I think all — sai ram, Tue Mar 27 08:46

I think all the facts haven't emerged on this....the parents gave out a younger picture of Trayvon to help I believe with sympathy. Zimmerman didn't receive a gash on his head and a broken nose from... more
There may be a certain degree of .... — Frashavan, Tue Mar 27 16:01

...manipulation going on. The media always protrays victims as completely innocent; reality is a bit more complicated. Still, the guy had no justification imaginable for shooting an unarmed kids.
He wrongly thought he was armed. — Mirage, Wed Mar 28 01:45

He mentioned in his police call that the guy he was watching had a hand in his waistband. Translation, he thought he had a gun. It was apparently a very cold day. :(
The gun that wasn't there — Frashavan, Wed Mar 28 07:04

It's funny how often that features in this kind of shooting. "Oh, I thought he had a gun!" When cops try that one, my reaction is that they should immediately and permanently be reassigned to desk... more
Yeah it wasn't — Mirage, Wed Mar 28 09:41

I wouldn't believe it if he hadn't said it in the initial call to police, but it's recorded. If he had claimed it later I would not have believed. This guy probably learned everything he knew about... more
Well — sai ram, Tue Mar 27 16:42

if he was bashing the guys head up against the curb....broke his nose.....he was standing his ground under the law and I think thats why he hasn't been arrested.....I ask myself, why are they... more
There has been an epidemic of such shootings... — Frashavan, Tue Mar 27 16:50

...where young men and boys-- usually minority members -- have been gunned down. Usually it has involved the police, so the voices that call it "racism" have been subdued by those who believe the... more
Re: There has been an epidemic of such shootings... — Mirage, Wed Mar 28 01:48

I assumed all that at first, until I spent a real long time digging and discovered that there is massive propagandizing on all sides. You are right about the police, though, they do enormous racial... more
Well — sai ram, Tue Mar 27 20:49

I believe I saw a more recent photo of the 17 year old...with a number of front gold teeth...kind of like what the gansta rappers get.....I really don't think he was walking or skipping home singing... more
Gold teeth is no crime, nor are tats. — Mirage, Wed Mar 28 01:50

I read he had both, but that's fashion, not felony. I think it he was a known gang member Fox news would have been all over that by now.
Thing is — sai ram, Wed Mar 28 08:14

its also fashion for gang members....Zimmerman was on the look out for suspicious people in the neighborhood.....if the kid was dressed in a business suit, he probably would not have drawn the... more
Dressing like a rock star — Mirage, Wed Mar 28 10:14

doesn't mean a kid is trashing hotel rooms. We all did that when I was a teen. Teens emulate musicians and in this case musicians are emulating fashion. Musicians we emulated were doing the same but... more
People will judge — sai ram, Wed Mar 28 10:25

its human nature in a way to make judgements....we all do it. People are judged by what they wear..rightfully or wrongfully (but thats another issue) People are judged by their associations with... more
Hanging out with a group... — MN_Morgan, Wed Mar 28 11:20

...and dress are totally different. Let's try another association, shall we? On my days off, I wear a modified suit blazer with a tank top and funky pants, collars, leather studded bracelets, black... more
Re: Hanging out with a group... — Mirage, Wed Mar 28 17:30

Sounds like a great outfit to me. Many goth or emo people around here are vegans. People never expect that.
It doesn't matter — sai ram, Wed Mar 28 16:51

it doesn't matter what one wears...people will judge them..rightfully or wrongly..but judged none the less. I go around a slob most of the time. Sends my wife thru the roof it does....I don't care... more
Yes but... — MN_Morgan, Thu Mar 29 09:19

This is something we all must actively change by making acceptable prejudice unacceptable. Prejudice is not okay, and that is something we all should fight tooth and nail, especially those of us who... more
People like to believe danger is predictable. :( — Mirage, Thu Mar 29 11:05

It's really interesting walking. I don't walk like that anymore but when I was in university our campus had Crips on one side, and Bloods on the other. They were at war. I was walking a lot around... more
If it was predictable... — MN_Morgan, Thu Mar 29 12:44

...we'd be able to stamp it out. Unfortunately, it's not. The angels were definitely out in force. :D
Profiling is probably worse than rolling dice.. — Mirage, Thu Mar 29 18:07

Profiling — sai ram, Fri Mar 30 11:20

Profiling is indeed necessary..a necessary evil..the world is not a small village....too many members....no one has time to meet and greet everyone. But life still needs to go on, and part of life is ... more
There's profiling and profiling. — Mirage, Fri Mar 30 11:25

If a police officer is looking for a suspect that is between 5'8" and 5'10", Asian, probably Chinese, and female, there's a pretty good chance the profiling will not affect a lot of people who can't... more
Oh dear... — Mirage, Wed Mar 28 10:29

my husband and I both have hoodies. Is it ok for whites to wear them? Funny, nobody has ever confronted me about wearing one. Everyone does here. Old ladies wear them.
Well — sai ram, Wed Mar 28 11:11

since you live in the great (but broke state) of California...you and your husband might have Oakland Raiders hats.....and if you wore them in my neighborhood.....I wouldn't think anything of... more
Re: Well — Mirage, Wed Mar 28 17:36
There's a word for people who see a criminal .... — Frashavan, Wed Mar 28 08:16

...hiding behind every bush. Democrats! :D
He doesn't sound very much different... — Frashavan, Wed Mar 28 07:00

.... from most of the students I teach. They are pains (as most teens manage to be), and they tend to adopt a pose, but most of them are just normal, mixed up adolescents. Actually, I think the... more
Yes, he needed to be charged. — Mirage, Wed Mar 28 10:07

That needs to happen, but I also think they will have to move the location far away if there is to be any hope of a fair trial. I was sort of one of those kids. I had multicolored hair and spikes in... more
They have the 911 call — MN_Morgan, Tue Mar 27 10:56

They told him NOT to pursue this kid. He PURSUED this kid. The gash on the forehead and broken nose could come from a bottle of soda. If some jackwagon was following me home, I'd use whatever I had... more
The call — sai ram, Tue Mar 27 13:08

doesn't show what happened or if he pursued him or not....wonder why the media is showing a clearly old photo of a younger kid....not a recent one....the media is playing this for all its... more
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