MirageHmmTue Apr 3, 2012 08:52184.108.40.206Anglicans/Episcopalians, and Quakers traditionally welcome differences of belief, although the Anglican Communion is still in turmoil over the homosexuality issue that has mainly been caused by liberal Episcopalian views in America (I'm one of those.). My experience with Presbyterian churches is that they are fairly tolerant of it and the most intellectual sermon I have ever heard was in one of their churches, but it's always going to depend on the pastor. You might want to attend an Orthodox Torah study sometime, and argue with the rabbi when you disagree. You may be thanked by the rabbi afterward. I was. I think you may be objecting to the sola scriptura folks. Some of them do have more leeway in interpretation than others, though.
Organizations which stress the need for control of one's thought also tend to want to control the thoughts of others, and that is true of both religious and political organizations. If you want to debate with people like that, you pretty much have to phrase your arguments within their existing beliefs and texts. It's sometimes worth it for me, but probably wouldn't be for you. There are times when I just don't have the energy anymore.
- Exactly clarym29, Tue Apr 3 08:35I have noticed the same thing. And it seems to me that the Bush/cheney era made that much worse. I have never seen such a feeling of disdain for "intellectuals" as I do now. If you reason then you... more
- Hmm Mirage, Tue Apr 3 08:52
- Unity clarym29, Tue Apr 3 09:13Mirage, for about 10 years I attended a local Unity Church. I even became President of the board for a year and was on the board for over 3 years. I enjoyed the give and take of talking about Unity's ... more
- Oh btw Mirage, Tue Apr 3 11:00I forgot to tell you how glad I am that you seem to have found your bliss. It always really fills me with joy when someone figures out what they believe or don't believe and has contentment there.
- Contentment sai ram, Tue Apr 3 12:14"There is no greater happiness than contentment. Man seeks happiness in various forms. But there is no happiness equal to peace...There is no greater happiness than that derived from contentment.... more
- yep, I still wrestle with that Mirage, Tue Apr 3 12:30It is not possible to be content when one is experiencing fear or greed, which I think are probably the most basic negative emotions.
- Thanks clarym29, Tue Apr 3 11:46I agree with that idea. I like to discuss--sometimes in great detail--but discuss topics. That is a great way to learn and grow. But too often in the relm of religion discussion turns to... more
- Have to disagree Mirage, Tue Apr 3 10:39I'd say political organizations gone bad are equally scary. Maybe even moreso in terms of body count. I don't have the figures on that.
- For me clarym29, Tue Apr 3 11:44religious organizations are the scariest. Why? Basically it is the total hypocrisy of it all. Political organizations have one thing in common. All want control and make no bones about it. All... more
- Re: For me Mirage, Tue Apr 3 12:00Sometimes political parties do try to disguise it, claiming they represent freedom when they actually represent a new crop of political prisoners and a military coup or something. Oil and diamonds... more
- The average joe clarym29, Tue Apr 3 12:47doesn't have a choice generally, who will kill him and his--they die at the hand of zealots of every stripe. But religion can so easily be used (no greater use of fear than from the fear of God) to... more
- parties Mirage, Tue Apr 3 13:04I can't tell them apart anymore. In some areas Obama is more rightwing than McCain. I consider myself a moderate but I'm not a vanilla pudding I-couldn't-care-less type moderate. I feel strongly... more
- For me sai ram, Tue Apr 3 09:40how many times have you heard in Church that greed is a bad thing?......how many times have you heard there that they got enough money last Sunday in collections that they don't really need anything... more
- Yeah, i did clarym29, Tue Apr 3 10:03Didn't I? :)) I was trying to remember--always a hard thing lately--the board we met on. Wasn't it a board discussing the beliefs of an ex-Adventist preacher who then lived in Australia? I cannot... more
- this will shock you sai ram, Tue Apr 3 10:35but I can't remember.... Yank from the East Coast...but the board was kind of going out of business or being put on hold...but your facts kind of ring a bell about ex Adventist...but then again the... more
- Neither did I clarym29, Tue Apr 3 11:37But something compelled me to dig up this board again. I had all the sites bookmarked at one time, but that was two computers ago. Besides, the best use of a computer is still games, especially RPG... more
- Ooooh Mirage, Tue Apr 3 12:03I loved Oblivion, modded the heck out of it. Gave my husband Skyrim for his birthday. He hasn't loaded it up yet, but I hope he will like it.