clarym29changes, changes....Sat Apr 7, 2012 10:2922.214.171.124So you have been engaged with religion for awhile, and you have managed to change your mind. You are a very special person for the second point. Joseph Campbell is an awesome teacher ... just read his books or watch him on YouTube. But also read Mircea Eliade. Both of them are students of Carl Jung ... who is also the most awesome early psychologist ... IMHO.
-----Yeah, I have loved Campbell for decades; long, long ago I introduced The Hero's Journey to my Unity church in a class. It was fairly popular for awhile. I have not heard of Eliade, will do some research; I look forward to that. And I have nibble around the edges Jung, and have enjoyed it.
All mythical people, are inspired by an assortment of actual people ... and I don't mean a particular person at a particular time. In fact all people not currently alive ... are mythical in practice. We don't have them (my father for example) to talk to ... all we have are mis-remembered or embroidered memories. Now it is an old theory going back to the ancient Greek, Euhemeus ... that the gods are exaggurated historical people. And that has been a popular theory for a long time. It is also true, and much more important, that historical people (say people currently alive) are inspired by mythical people ... particularly people who they never actually met. Jesus and Moses for instance, are powerful, precisely because they are not real. This is something it is hard for a Westerner to get their head around. Archetypes are extremely powerful. That is how Hitler controlled Germany, he played their archetypes like a fiddle, while Berlin burned.
----Reading Campbell has lead me to understand the extreme power of myth. I agree archetypes are very powerful and we all look to them in one degree or another. I hated ritual, until I read Campbell and have come to realize it is good or even necessary--even if I still don't like sitting through them much. I have also come to appreciate that Jesus is not alive, but very much alive in many people's lives and in very powerful way; just not the same Jesus.
Don't know if you read my posts from earlier this year. But specifically I finally came to understand more specifically, in what way Jesus is mythical. I know "understand" that early Christianity, while partly Jewish, is also partly Mahayana Buddhist. And that the figure of Jesus is the bodhisattva Avalokiteshvara. I now understand much better, Johannine theology for instance. It was the synoptics that insisted in bringing Jesus down to Earth, rather than the other way around.
----No, I did not read anything by you until a couple of days ago--I did not lurk here---was simply struck one day by a desire to look this board up again; did not know if it was still going on. But it sound very interesting. I have read of the Christian/buddhist connection before. It sounded quite plausible. I agree that the synoptics are much more down to earth than John.
I have not read or thought much about this subject for a couple of years now. But I have been and still am, interested in how the Jesus cult was formed. I seem to remember that the name Jesus was fairly common then and that it translates to "savior" and that Joshua is another name that translates to "savior". It seems possible that the Joshua that finished the trip that Moses started was conflated with the Jesus who was to lead them out of Rome; and that that was or could be the core of the current Jesus cult. I probably stated this wrong, but I think you get the idea.
- You are almost ready to leave the monastery, grasshopper! Baruch, Sat Apr 7 08:10So you have been engaged with religion for awhile, and you have managed to change your mind. You are a very special person for the second point. Joseph Campbell is an awesome teacher ... just read... more
- changes, changes.... clarym29, Sat Apr 7 10:29
- Eliade wrote a great book on Yoga ... Baruch, Sat Apr 7 10:52he was into comparative religion, same as Campbell, but more interested in India. His book, The Sacred & The Profane is a short masterwork of theology. Jung understood the unconscious mind, was very... more
- I am always interested in the mythical/historical Jesus (nm) clarym29, Sat Apr 7 11:45
- Well then, I will write a current summary for you ... Baruch, Sat Apr 7 14:31and post it somewhere above under your postings, so it is easy to get at. Shalom
- thanks (nm) clarym29, Sat Apr 7 15:17