BaruchIn Buddhism there is the same problem with ...Sat Apr 7, 2012 21:54188.8.131.52the Mahayana and Vajrayana, vs the Theravada. If we accept a historical Buddha, then the Theravada are closest to the original literal teachings. But it is possible, because of sectarianism on the part of the Theravada, that in some respects the Mahayana and Vajrayana are closer to the spirit of the Buddha. After all, the Theravada are both excessively monastic and Sri Lankan. There is a tendency to create separation between Hinduism and Buddhism, that aren't true of the time of the Buddha, but were true 1500 years later during the decline of Buddhism in India. As that new book I told you about, the survey of Hinduism by the woman scholar, would tell us ... there is a spectrum between normative Hinduism and its non-Brahmin competition ... and Hinduism survived precisely because the Brahmins incorporated what they could out of that competition.
BTW - now that I understand the use of the devas and asuras in both Hinduism and Buddhism .... can you explain to me why in Zoroastrianism, their function is reversed?
- I think it's many layered Frashavan, Mon Apr 2 20:08But I will use Zarathustra as my example, if I might. I think that "someone" speaks in the Gathas; I think it is one person -- perhaps one person and a few very early followers, in a few verses --... more
- In Buddhism there is the same problem with ... Baruch, Sat Apr 7 21:54
- Mythology is dependent on indoctrination! (nm) Kasey, Tue Apr 3 06:15
- Really? clarym29, Tue Apr 3 08:38How so? It seems to me that it would be repetition, and of a tale that struck deep cords in the listeners, who then would ask for the story to be repeated or repeat it to others.
- I remember again. clarym29, Mon Apr 2 21:31Frashavan that you were a student of Zarathustra--I was always intrigued by that. I have no knowledge of that religion--what I know of it can fill a thimble. I agree with you about myth. In our... more
- One of the things I have notice... Frashavan, Tue Apr 3 08:10...over the last couple of decades is the growth and spread of polar thinking; it's all either/or, black/white, good/evil, us/them these days. This is not something I think is a good thing.
- That is ironic for a Zoroastrian to say ;-) (nm) Baruch, Sat Apr 7 09:37
- Maybe I am reacting to that Mirage, Tue Apr 3 09:09I've noticed my own thoughts are tending toward everything being very complex and nuanced. I think I am currently so biased in that direction I might actually miss something that really is on one of... more
- Exactly clarym29, Tue Apr 3 08:35I have noticed the same thing. And it seems to me that the Bush/cheney era made that much worse. I have never seen such a feeling of disdain for "intellectuals" as I do now. If you reason then you... more
- Hmm Mirage, Tue Apr 3 08:52Anglicans/Episcopalians, and Quakers traditionally welcome differences of belief, although the Anglican Communion is still in turmoil over the homosexuality issue that has mainly been caused by... more
- Unity clarym29, Tue Apr 3 09:13Mirage, for about 10 years I attended a local Unity Church. I even became President of the board for a year and was on the board for over 3 years. I enjoyed the give and take of talking about Unity's ... more
- Oh btw Mirage, Tue Apr 3 11:00I forgot to tell you how glad I am that you seem to have found your bliss. It always really fills me with joy when someone figures out what they believe or don't believe and has contentment there.
- Contentment sai ram, Tue Apr 3 12:14"There is no greater happiness than contentment. Man seeks happiness in various forms. But there is no happiness equal to peace...There is no greater happiness than that derived from contentment.... more
- Thanks clarym29, Tue Apr 3 11:46I agree with that idea. I like to discuss--sometimes in great detail--but discuss topics. That is a great way to learn and grow. But too often in the relm of religion discussion turns to... more
- Have to disagree Mirage, Tue Apr 3 10:39I'd say political organizations gone bad are equally scary. Maybe even moreso in terms of body count. I don't have the figures on that.
- For me clarym29, Tue Apr 3 11:44religious organizations are the scariest. Why? Basically it is the total hypocrisy of it all. Political organizations have one thing in common. All want control and make no bones about it. All... more
- Re: For me Mirage, Tue Apr 3 12:00Sometimes political parties do try to disguise it, claiming they represent freedom when they actually represent a new crop of political prisoners and a military coup or something. Oil and diamonds... more
- For me sai ram, Tue Apr 3 09:40how many times have you heard in Church that greed is a bad thing?......how many times have you heard there that they got enough money last Sunday in collections that they don't really need anything... more
- Yeah, i did clarym29, Tue Apr 3 10:03Didn't I? :)) I was trying to remember--always a hard thing lately--the board we met on. Wasn't it a board discussing the beliefs of an ex-Adventist preacher who then lived in Australia? I cannot... more
- this will shock you sai ram, Tue Apr 3 10:35but I can't remember.... Yank from the East Coast...but the board was kind of going out of business or being put on hold...but your facts kind of ring a bell about ex Adventist...but then again the... more
- Beautiful, thank you Mirage, Mon Apr 2 20:24Religion evolves and I think that is is also possible that all longlived religions are at least somewhat syncretic. I don't see that as a bad thing. I don't think it disproves or debunks them,... more