BaruchNothing wrong with having "historical" beliefs ...Sun Apr 8, 2012 08:0068.90.156.23except that I note that they are "beliefs". To believe otherwise is to buy into the rhetoric of the one selling you the history. Herodotus was the father of history, because his stories were more "realistic" than those of his predecessors ... yet he still had incorporated hearsay and fantasy. Thucydides who came next, was even more realistic, and didn't include hearsay or fantasy at all ... so either he is a better historian, or a worse storyteller ;-) It is just that now, 2400 years later, we can't cross-examine the sources used by Thucydides ... we try ... "Thucydides - The Reinvention of History" by Donald Kagan. Dr Kagan investigates the evidence for bias, in Thucydides' own work ... and finds some ... even though Thucydides is famous for being objective ... but even he can't cross-examine Thucydides.
So for me history is plausible or not, entertaining or not. It just isn't what the literal modern mind claims for it ... even recent history where witnesses can be cross-examined. I think that the Teacher of Righteousness and Elijah ben Avuyah are both historical Jesus material ... but that has nothing to do with fantasy like miracles and rising from the grave.
- I'm a big fan of Campbell Mirage, Mon Apr 2 18:46Baruch has said sometimes that he believes Jesus is real, but not historical, which is an interesting perspective. I'm intrigued by Spong's argument for the historicity of Jesus. He argues that the... more
- Nothing wrong with having "historical" beliefs ... Baruch, Sun Apr 8 08:00
- To an extant, Socrates was right Frashavan, Mon Apr 2 21:08We don't, most of us, anyway, manage to understand the Truth. All we can grasp, with greater or lesser fidelity and attention to detail, are the imperfect reflections of Truth "in" something. We... more
- Re: To an extant, Socrates was right Mirage, Mon Apr 2 23:42Interesting observation about mirrors. Perhaps the taboo black mirrors were actually safer. The more I read about other faiths, and also about secular philosophies, the commonality I see. Under the... more
- Some have theorized that... Frashavan, Tue Apr 3 06:27... the human mind is naturally religious. (This can be framed either as a positive thing, or in a terribly deterministic way, like many scientific theories.) It's possible, of course. Or, it may be... more
- Limited to 16 Meyer-Briggs personality types (nm) Baruch, Sat Apr 7 09:39
- Great analagy clarym29, Tue Apr 3 08:47I like the ant comparison. I think that mankind is naturally drawn to what is later called religion. Humankind has a natural curious streak. Why this, and why that. Cave man, lets say, wanted to know ... more
- Father/Mother Mirage, Tue Apr 3 08:58I tend to call Him Father. I could just as easily call Her Mother. Baruch sometimes refers to Her. I am just traditional in that the generic pronoun in English has traditionally been masculine, but... more
- An explantion sai ram, Tue Apr 3 09:55Sai Baba gave an explanation once on why God is viewed as a male.....Avatars decend on earth as males because men would relate to them better and they also need their message more. Women are more... more
- Thanks Mirage, Tue Apr 3 11:17It seems kind of pessimistic about the male potential for spirituality, though. I'm thinking of you and the other guys who post here, and there are some pretty spiritually advanced men around here. A ... more
- Well, clarym29, Tue Apr 3 09:15If you said "she" you would include both. :))
- There's some science in it Mirage, Tue Apr 3 08:34There are areas of the brain which do appear to have something to do with religion. There are injuries, seizures, and chemical imbalances which can change people's perception of the spiritual, even... more