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achristian1985
Re: Over and over again.....
Mon Apr 9, 2012 16:31
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it's in my book: 425 pages, 321 scientific (non-scriptural footnotes. That's the best I can give you.

CHAPTER ONE


THE AXIOM

I did not speak in secret, in a land of darkness;
I did not say . . . Seek me in chaos.
--(Isaiah 5:19 D.S.V.)


There are two possible schools of thought pertaining to the evaluation of the Universe that we live in. One school of thought is embodied in the philosophy known as Solipsism. This philosophy expounds that all external reality is relative to the perception of the individual, or, in other words, all reality is subjective and cannot be described by objective analysis. As an example, Solipsism is the belief that everything that individuals perceive is a projection of the thoughts of their mind. Taken to its fullest implications, Solipsism means that if you think strongly that an object that you perceive does not really exist, then you will cease to perceive it and it will thus disappear. On the other hand, if you think strongly enough that an object does exist, then you will perceive it and it will thus exist. Understandably, the ardent adherents of this school of thought soon lost what sanity they had.


When we lead from ignorance, we can come to no conclusions. When we say, “Anything can happen, and anything can be, because we know so little that we have no right to say ‘This is’ or ‘This isn’t,’” then all reasoning comes to a halt right there. We can eliminate nothing; we can assert nothing. All we can do is put words and thoughts together on the basis of intuition or faith or revelation and, unfortunately, no two people seem to share the same intuition or faith or revelation.
What we must do is place rules and set limits, however arbitrary these may seem to be. We then discover what we can say within these rules and limits. The scientific view of the Universe is such as to admit only those phenomena that can, in one way or another, be observed in a fashion accessible to all, and to admit those generalizations (which we call laws of nature) that can be induced from those observations.1

Most importantly, Einstein presumed that all the laws of nature must be entirely equivalent in all conceivable systems of reference, differing only by uniform velocities. Without an ether, reasoned Einstein, there is no real physical basis for absolute spatial positions or orientations; all, therefore, must be relative to the observer. At the same time, all observers must see the many laws of nature in an identical way.2

Science deals only with phenomena that can be reproduced; observations that, under certain fixed conditions, can be made by anybody of normal intelligence; observations upon which reasonable men can agree.3


In opposition to Solipsism is the school of thought that objective interpretation of the universe we live in is possible. Since the validity of Solipsism would mean that it would be impossible to make logical sense out of what we are aware of, we will assume that Solipsism is invalid. Bearing this in mind, I propose the following axiom, which we may call the Axiom of Interdependency:

If a “spiritual universe” exists, there likewise must also exist laws or principles common to both such a “spiritual universe” and to the physical universe, in order for us to be able to perceive any manifestation of such a “spiritual universe.”

Notice that this axiom in no way assumes the existence of a spiritual universe. The reason why seeking objective proof of the existence of a spiritual universe is futile will be dealt with in later chapters.

What this axiom does say is that if a spiritual universe exists that does not have laws or principles in common with our physical universe, then we cannot be aware of it and thus it would be of no concern to us. However, if a spiritual universe exists such that we are aware of some of its manifestations, then it will have laws or principles in common with our physical universe. Thus, for any postulated assertion of a spiritual reality, there should be corresponding evidence of that reality reflected in our physical universe. Conversely, it should be possible to formulate a framework of characteristics of the physical universe that will indicate the nature of the corresponding spiritual reality. Practically speaking, this axiom means that it is possible to construct a logical theory encompassing virtually every field of science that will explain the purpose behind everything known to man.


If this isn't logical to you, I can't help you.





  • Logical Inference re.:Godachristian1985, Wed Mar 28 17:05
    Come, let us reason together: There are two, and only two, explanations for the means whereby life now exists on this planet. First, there is the explanation that life on earth was divinely created.... more
    • during the Earth's bombardment of water comets which ultimately occurred millions of years to form our oceans? Regards, Kasey
      • Correctachristian1985, Tue Apr 3 09:49
        Also heavier hydrocarbons which seeped into the earth as petroleum deposits. The dinosaurs and verdant vegetation resulting from the prevalent tropical climate became coal, not oil. (for the most... more
    • HmmMirage, Thu Mar 29 18:47
      What if God isn't a biological organism?
      • bothachristian1985, Thu Apr 5 12:58
        He came into a locked room. And breathed into them the Spirit. And had them feel the wounds on His body. And appeared, and disappeared. "Now the Lord is the Spirit".
      • ie The summation of Natural forces? (nm)Kasey, Tue Apr 3 06:31
      • I rather suspect he isn't.... (nm)Frashavan, Fri Mar 30 07:56
        • Re: I rather suspect he isn't.... Mirage, Fri Mar 30 10:31
          Well, since he has invited us to reason together with him, I think this is a fairly obvious question. Am not trying to lure him into speculating about the origins of God, but I don't think this... more
          • my motivesachristian1985, Fri Mar 30 12:05
            God led me to Himself mentally, logically. Not emotionally nor through cultural, familial influence. So, it gives me an edge in relating things rationally. Personally, there is a lot of the human... more
            • InterestingMirage, Fri Mar 30 12:36
              I wasn't raised in any tradition, since one of my parents was religious but felt it was rude to talk about it, and the other was an atheist. They agreed not to bias their kids and to shield us from... more
          • evolution of Godachristian1985, Fri Mar 30 11:56
            Even the mere phrase above is misleading, and throws thought off track from what I was trying (poorly) to illuminate: There are many people who embrace evolution not so much for its many scientific... more
            • In the Beginningclarym29, Thu Apr 5 10:31
              This entire subject is a mental minefield. The First Cause. We all understand that everything has an ending and a beginning. Can't really have one with the other--a unit, so to speak. So, the Big... more
              • don't wait, get an answer nowachristian1985, Thu Apr 5 11:00
                He came not to judge the world but to give us His eternal life. Right here, right now, free offer. Just recognize it and receive. Don't wait 'until you die'. Death is the might of Satan, and the end... more
                • I have an answer now....clarym29, Thu Apr 5 11:07
                  But I appreciate your concern. But my answer is not your answer. One size does not fit all. You seem to presume that I have not done what you suggest I do. I have at a few times in my life done... more
                  • Re: I have an answer now....achristian1985, Thu Apr 5 12:55
                    Sorry I gave you the wrong impression. You cannot improve on God, that is one of His attributes- uniqueness. But He has no ego and is totally unselfish. He shed His own blood in order to make Himself ... more
                    • Answer recievedclarym29, Fri Apr 6 09:21
                      Sorry I gave you the wrong impression. ----No you have never given me the wrong impression. You are simply another closed-minded zealot. You cannot improve on God, that is one of His attributes-... more
                      • Not wind,fire or earthquakeachristian1985, Fri Apr 6 11:53
                        but a still, small voice. "Hath not the potter power over the clay? Shall the thing formed say to Him who formed it: "Why have you made me thus"."God has put eternity in the hearts of men". clarym,... more
                        • Familiar with the still small voiceclarym29, Fri Apr 6 19:06
                          but a still, small voice. ---This, of course, can be very powerful. And when that voice speaks I've learned I should listen. "Hath not the potter power over the clay? Shall the thing formed say to... more
                          • Re: Familiar with the still small voiceachristian1985, Sat Apr 7 15:51
                            Not my analogy, but the inspired one of the apostle Paul. Whose word will you respect if it doesn't agree with your concepts. 'what is right in their own eyes...is foolishness to God'.
                            • Respect???clarym29, Sun Apr 8 10:18
                              Paul? Not likely. How much respect should I give, and how inspired is, a guy who takes drugs while riding a horse, who stares into the sun (Son????) until he goes blind? In my book, not much. He's... more
                              • Re: Respect???achristian1985, Sun Apr 8 16:56
                                Your scathing abrasive character assassinations, spoken in total misinformed, ignorant generalities amaze me. I had hoped that you were a thoughtful, objective person. Fact: I concluded purely... more
                                • GH Pemberclarym29, Sun Apr 8 18:40
                                  Scientific and objective--okay two quotes from the Earth's Earliest Ages; pg 109. "Reason is fallible and often dangerous; but the power of the spirit is an instinctive and unerring perception of... more
                                  • Re: GH Pemberachristian1985, Mon Apr 9 11:25
                                    Anybody, and usually everybody at some point, can TALK about God. Anybody, and usually everybody at some point, can give their enlightened opinion about what God’s shortcomings are (like the blind... more
                                  • very astuteachristian1985, Mon Apr 9 11:21
                                    I congratulate you on your accurate observation. I suggested Pember for his insight on the invisible spiritual aspects which are not directly spelled out in the Bible. Unfortunatel, Pember dabbled at ... more
                                    • Re: very astuteachristian1985, Mon Apr 9 11:23
                                      I am perturbed, flabbergasted, and disturbed by the continuing efforts of misguided (to the point even of committing perjury in ‘Dover, et. al.’) and scripturally incorrect religious people to foist... more
                                      • Re: very astuteachristian1985, Mon Apr 9 11:24
                                        The greatest misconception that Satan has ever put in the minds of the human race is a disbelief in his existence. The second greatest misconception that Satan has put in the minds of the human race... more
                                        • Over and over again.....clarym29, Mon Apr 9 12:45
                                          achristian--take a deep breath, and think for a moment. You keep repeating the same drivel over and over again thinking, apparently, that the more it is repeated the more true it is. No--a falsehood... more
                                          • Re: Over and over again.....achristian1985, Mon Apr 9 16:39
                                            I also put a lot of emphasis on Revelation. The beginning and the ending of anything are almost always the most important parts. Any other irrelevent complaints?
                                          • factachristian1985, Mon Apr 9 16:35
                                            Jesus is God. That's the bottom line that separates the wheat from the chaff. All the world's knowledge is useless if it doesn't lead you to a realization of this. Neither John the baptizer nor I are ... more
                                            • Not a factclarym29, Mon Apr 9 18:12
                                              That is an opinion. And that is yours. Not mine. You suggest: "That's the bottom line that separates the wheat from the chaff. All the world's knowledge is useless if it doesn't lead you to a... more
                                              • clarify for clarymachristian1985, Tue Apr 10 10:43
                                                We are made aware of the universe around us through comprehending knowledge about it, and also through hands-on experiences of it. All of these objective things are adequate pictures depicting... more
                                                • Fair enoughclarym29, Tue Apr 10 11:23
                                                  We are made aware of the universe around us through comprehending knowledge about it, and also through hands-on experiences of it. Oh yes, I agree. I learn mainly by sight, but I do have a large... more
                                                  • Re: Fair enoughachristian1985, Tue Apr 10 16:02
                                                    "Reason and intellect are distractions for you." When in darkness, black is white and white is black. Reason and intellect are the only valid means to accurately communicate unseen but experienciable ... more
                                                    • Circlesclarym29, Tue Apr 10 16:11
                                                      You are talking in circles. And I think you are simply too dizzy to think straight. I think if you lie down for awhile you will feel better.
                                          • Re: Over and over again..... — achristian1985, Mon Apr 9 16:31
                                • Please correct meclarym29, Sun Apr 8 17:38
                                  then. You said: Fact: I concluded purely through logical, objective, scientific reasoning that: 1. The Bible was the word of God, 2. Christ was who He said He was, 3. There was a secondary, opposing... more
                                  • "the Word is near you, even in your mouth"achristian1985, Mon Apr 9 11:55
                                    "The same Lord is rich to all who call upon His name" <not silently thinking about Him, however fervently> "No one can say: "Jesus is Lord" except in the sSpirit". You are sooooo close. "Who has... more
                                  • my book, relating my search achristian1985, Mon Apr 9 11:34
                                    www.amessageforthehumanrace.org 1. I recently decided (after waiting 30 years) that it was okay to disseminate <too prematurely might interfere with free-will process> 2. The most easy and... more
                    • But....butsai ram, Thu Apr 5 18:56
                      "But He has no ego and is totally unselfish"...where did you get this information?....you aren't making things up are you?....see I thought God was smiteful and jealous...and prone to anger.....all... more
            • Thanks for clarifyingMirage, Fri Mar 30 12:39
              Cosmogony is an interest of mine.
          • your speculationachristian1985, Fri Mar 30 11:44
            Your wondering is past the scope of objective knowledge, which is capable only of pointing you in the direction of truth. Yes, one day God incarnated to be a man, and is now available as the Spirit... more
            • As it happensMirage, Fri Mar 30 12:46
              I already believe in the reality of Jesus. I've said I am a Christian. I may not be a typical Christian but I am one. I believe in both Jesus Christ and evolution.
              • belief in versus receiving intoachristian1985, Mon Apr 2 10:37
                The Greek text (much more precise and descriptive than English) uses the word INTO when it speaks of people believing into Jesus: receiving Him into their being. Mere objective belief of something... more
                • I lack words for my experienceMirage, Mon Apr 2 12:47
                  I'm not planning on asking the devil anything. What happened to me was immense, profound, and deeply personal. When I try to talk about it, it doesn't come out right. It doesn't touch it. The word... more
                  • Spiritual occurancessai ram, Thu Apr 5 01:12
                    can be most profound...I've had a number of them and also won't share except to a select few...but I don't think they need to be shared...they were personally designed for myself....yours I'm sure... more
                  • thanksachristian1985, Tue Apr 3 10:02
                    Thanks for the advice on CAPS. I can be rude, crude, and sociallu unacceptable w/o even trying or meaning to- which detracts from the message. RE: your experience: Most people get noticeable... more
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