BaruchA few more politically incorrect points ...Sun Apr 15, 2012 04:47188.8.131.52Usually I advocate the Jewishness of Jesus, because of Christian prejudice but Jesus isn't just Jewish ... so besides the aspects that Jesus shared, instead of differed from the Pharisees (lay priests), the purification in a river is HIndu, the going into the desert to be tempted had precedent with Elijah, but in Jordan River pagan mythology (there were two water spirits in the Jordan, and hence also in the Sea of Galilee) there is a matchup with Elijah and Elisha ... Elijah also matching up with John the Baptist and Elisha matching up with Elisha, the overall motif of the Nativity is Isis/Horus hiding from Seth in the delta of Egypt, and the resurrection is Egyptian/Canaanite corresponding to Osiris/Ba'al. Again going into the desert to be tempted matches up with Moses, but also with the Buddha and with left-handed Hinduism and right handed Saivism (Shiva meditation). The contemplation of Jesus on the Cross is a charnal ground contemplation for the devotee, which is both Hindu (again Saivite) and Buddhist. Substitutionary atonement by animals is Biblical, but not by people ... that is again left-handed Hindu. The idea of being an avatar of a Creator god is Hindu (Krishna) as is the idea of an apocalypse (the Mahabharata battle at Kurukshetra). The walking on water is a part of being a Jordan river pagan god, but also a mahasiddhi of the Buddha. Being a lay homeless mendicant is Buddhist, as is having disciples who wander with you, and having female devotees supply the wanderers. Back to the Nativity, the idea of the wise men being kings rather than magi, directly matches up with the tendency of the Buddha to acquire valuable monarchial support.
There were Buddhist missionaries in Antioch, Alexandria and Macedonia 300 years before Paul. So many that they had a Buddhist neighborhood in Alexandria. There was a Chinese embassy in Antioch in the 1st century CE too. There are weak connections to Roman Mithra worship, but not as strong as the more Indian connection. Similarly there are connections with the Greek Cynics and with the Springtime King of Fools (pagan). All in all, the Johannine Jesus closely resembles a cross between Krishna and a bodhisattva. Bodhisattvas were the non-monastic lay ideal of the Mahayana Buddhists, and there were missionaries in the area from that branch of Buddhism in particular, as well as saddhus representing Hinduism. The special relationship between Jesus and his mother, reminds me in particular of the Mahayana cult of Avalokiteshvara and Prajnaparamita. There were both Greeks and Jews up and down the Silk Route as far as Gandhara or N Pakistan ... Gandhara being one of the seedbeds of Mahayana Buddhism. And it was Greek-speaking Jews who devised this faith at first, not Gentiles. The demon expelling aspect of Jesus' miracles mostly reminds me of the somewhat later importation of Tantric Buddhism into Tibet ... Tantric or Vajrayana Buddhism being more closely aligned with the idea of meditational deities and magical powers.
So basically part of the conflict I see between Rabbinic Judaism and Christian Judaism is that the first is connected with S Indian Hinduism, and the second is connected with N Indian Buddhism. The first is left-handed clerical (the Sadducees being the right handed Biblical form) and the second being a left-handed Buddhist form (monk based Buddhism being the clerical Buddhist form). The Jesus of John the Apostle, basically being a BuJew with Krishna tendencies. For me the divine Jesus comes first, as it did for Paul ... I see the synoptics as being the humanization of a fictional deity, rather than John's gospel being the divinization of a non-fictional wonderworker ... though contemporary Judaism had those too.
- Have to laugh clarym29, Sat Apr 14 11:25The shows host uttered these words-"and that is deception" (meaning the occult). What the heck is organized religion????? Christian sects of all strips make their livings with deception.
- A few more politically incorrect points ... Baruch, Sun Apr 15 04:47
- Thanks for the reply clarym29, Sun Apr 15 10:42I find your points to be well made. Especially those about the Synoptics. The next comments will be filtered through a horrid head cold, 2/3 years of not paying attention to this stuff and the... more
- There were plenty of false messiahs and wonder workers ... Baruch, Sun Apr 15 12:14in ancient Israel/Judah. There were plenty of human prototypes to draw storytelling on, and they probably were. I am not saying that there was no Jewish component, no humanistic component. But if... more
- Our terrorists are freedom fighters .... sure (nm) Baruch, Sat Apr 14 11:51