clarym29Of course thereFri Apr 27, 2012 13:58220.127.116.11could be benefits to anything. So, what? Yes, torture has been used and will continue to be used forever. So what? No, torture was not useless according to my teachers and those that worked in the field. But it was not dependable or should I say it had the lowest dependable rating one could give in this area. All intel developed by any means has to be verified to be of real value. Tortured people have a tendency to tell you what you want to hear (they have a real Romey trait here--tell that particular audience that day what they want to hear.)--I mean if I were captured and tortured, I'd do everything I could, including inventing the best story I could come up with just to get it to stop. is torture always unproductive? Of course not. Nothing is ever totally bad or good. As a rule, when I was in Mil. Intell. it was sop not to use it because it was considered useless or detrimental to the mission of the US Army. And I would be willing to bet you if you know anybody still in the intel business that they would continue to tell you the same thing today.
Spanking--once again nothing is ever totally wrong or useless. But spanking is much like torture. In my experience it does not work, except maybe in a short term manner, at times. "I told you not to go into the street with your bike!" Wack! I did that. Once. The next day I apologized to my daughter for hitting her. But I told her I'd do it again if it was for her safety. I never had to do so, luckily. Spanking is too often used because it is the easiest thing to do. It teaches, whether or not we want it to, that might makes right. In the long run that isn't a particularly good message to pass along. As a teacher in a juvenile hall setting for 39 years, I did not see corporal punishment as a cure for anything. Spanking would not have kept one person out of juvenile hall. (Alright, Sai, maybe one--but if I was pressed to pick that 'one' out I'd not have a clue as to which one it would have worked for.) For me raising a child requires discipline. And it must be consistent and clear. When issuing edicts, the results of the child's choice should be evident to that child. They must be able to see what the consequences, good and bad, would be. And if they make a bad choice then the consequences much be carried out swiftly. The same for good choices--swift and consistent--that must be the mantra. In my experience spanking produces fear and resentment, not respect.
- So it was useless sai ram, Fri Apr 27 13:20what plan did they have that was much better?...one that is tried and true?.....I would believe its not 100% or even 50%...but useless...naw. Its been used all over the world by countries since there ... more
- If we can torture all the kids in foreign nations ... Baruch, Fri Apr 27 17:37from a young age, maybe they will learn to avoid Americans. You have to be proactive. After the Twin Towers fall is too late. Colonization, extermination, expropriation, enslavement ... our ancestors ... more
- Of course there clarym29, Fri Apr 27 13:58
- Authorities don't want your respect ... Baruch, Fri Apr 27 17:43they want your fear, and to use that fear as a tool, to use the violence they have induced, to useful 1% purposes. "verified to be of real value" ... that is something no Republican or Democrat... more
- Re: Authorities don't want your respect ... clarym29, Fri Apr 27 18:01"Authorities don't want your respect ...they want your fear, and to use that fear as a tool, to use the violence they have induced, to useful 1% purposes." As they say in the old country--No Shit,... more
- fear is sai ram, Fri Apr 27 20:44fear is a big if not the biggest motivator of mankind......is it counterproductive?....I don't know.....most working people have some level of fear about being late for work. This fear just might... more
- The official list of phobias ... Baruch, Sat Apr 28 00:56include fear of dirt and fear of death. Now phobia is an irrational or extreme example of a rational fear. I kind of think that the first is crazy but the second is reasonable ;-) Shalom
- Ever hear of clarym29, Fri Apr 27 22:29the word contraryian? You wear it well. :)
- Counterproductive? Baruch, Fri Apr 27 18:34if you are using fear on your loved ones, then they should "off" you the next time you sleep. See in Newspeak, Love is Hate ... and we express a lot of that lately. The problem has been our... more
- Great advice clarym29, Fri Apr 27 18:53if you are using fear on your loved ones, then they should "off" you the next time you sleep. -----Just got a verdict, in the town I live in, on a woman who stabbed her husband to death while he... more
- A woman like that is what Conservatives fear most! (nm) Baruch, Fri Apr 27 19:05
- the So what sai ram, Fri Apr 27 15:47"But it was not dependable or should I say it had the lowest dependable rating one could give in this area.".....torture is a tool...and like any tools it might not be what you need for the job. But... more