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Baruch
Actually I have more free will than most believers ...
Sat Apr 28, 2012 01:09
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but then my religion is a matter of experience, not of belief or indoctrination ... the Christian evangelical model is not a universal model, just the easiest one to poo-poo.

Shalom

  • Creation vs Evolution — mods, Tue Apr 24 08:18
    I really quite like this religious tolerance site for it's perspective on issues. However, when I reached the part about why evolution is true and unquestioned by all scientists my faith in your... more
    • It could be worht checking out the indoctrinational..... — Kasey, Fri Apr 27 22:12
      background of those scientists who dispute the concept of evolution....if their mind has been pre-formatted with a particular version of life-creation from a religious perspective, that will always... more
      • I agree, as psychoanalysis ... — Baruch, Sat Apr 28 01:03
        in particular with political candidates and elected officials ... I particularly like regular waterboarding of Republicans ... just to find out what kind of evil they are plotting (or just read... more
    • Unfortunately science isn't something ... — Baruch, Tue Apr 24 13:01
      regular people will or can understand. Do you understand computer OS software? ... as in Operating System? For most people, including most technical people, probably not. But everyone has an opinion... more
    • Well, mods — clarym29, Tue Apr 24 09:19
      here is my response. You say, "However, when I reached the part about why evolution is true and unquestioned by all scientists my faith in your ability to analyse completely fell apart. You seem to... more
      • Many don't like the book "Jesus the Man" by Dr B. Th. (nm) — Kasey, Fri Apr 27 22:19
      • Well put ... — Baruch, Tue Apr 24 18:37
        while a certain amount of faith or credulity is necessary for any human endeavor, what is often meant by faith in the great religions is simply accepting really vast assumptions at face value, and... more
        • Indoctrination of a child's mind can achieve just about...?? (nm — Kasey, Fri Apr 27 22:20
          • Its called having parents ... — Baruch, Sat Apr 28 01:07
            but yes, putting a child into a cultural matrix is programming, that is why there were originally several thousand different cultures (though certain traits are common to all of them thanks to... more
        • i quite agree — clarym29, Tue Apr 24 20:03
          and experienced that a bit in my Unity years. Social pressure to conform, within any highly organized system, is huge. It's just that organized religion institutionalizes that tendency. And I'd... more
          • Institutional religion is like an oyster ... — Baruch, Tue Apr 24 23:49
            the original inspiration is the bit of grit, humans to protect themselves from the presence of G-d, turn that bit of grit into a beautiful pearl. This is why new grit keeps being placed in the oyster ... more
      • Further..... — clarym29, Tue Apr 24 11:39
        mods, consider the following: Evolution has been described as "fact and theory", "fact not theory", "only a theory, not a fact", and "multiple theories, not fact". Science cannot achieve absolute... more
        • Good scientists agree with your last statement ... — Baruch, Tue Apr 24 18:41
          alas some are so self confident of their observations, experiments and theories ... that they do present it as The Truth. This is of course offensive to anyone who thinks they have a Different Truth. ... more
          • and just because — clarym29, Tue Apr 24 20:06
            someone labels themselves as a scientist, does not mean they really are one. Individual scientists can have personal agendas as well.
      • Theory — sai ram, Tue Apr 24 09:42
        "The theory of evolution is just that a theory"....I agree...but some supporters of evolution believe it has become no longer a theory but fact......I have had more than one argument on this... more
        • Yep, turns out Darwin and Mendel are approximate — Baruch, Tue Apr 24 18:46
          but don't think that because of protein expression, one can therefore demonstrate that the children of the rich should be an aristocracy. Proteins do what they do, but that is just so much meat. The... more
        • Not heard..... — clarym29, Tue Apr 24 11:57
          of that theory, Sai--thanks. But that use of the word "theory" is another definition; one used by the social and psychological sciences. Just to underline the thought that when discussion any subject ... more
          • Actual molecular biology ... — Baruch, Tue Apr 24 18:48
            is quite complicated, and new discoveries are still being made. But usually in lay discussions, it is overly simplified or using the 19th century version. Shalom
        • What is a theory? — clarym29, Tue Apr 24 11:33
          Development of a Simple Theory by the Scientific Method: Start with an observation that evokes a question: Broth spoils when I leave it out for a couple of days. Why? Using logic and previous... more
          • Good scientific method is good ... — Baruch, Tue Apr 24 18:51
            because it was developed thru trial and error over the last 500 years, and didn't succumb to Lysenkoism. It is not always possible to apply it however, because of the nature of what is being studied, ... more
          • ...air my foot — sai ram, Tue Apr 24 12:29
            its not 'air' that has spoiled my grandkids.....its Grandma...er, maybe Grandpa......and my wife has made some broth that never was allowed to sit lone enough to have any dang air spoil it (or so... more
            • There are kooks that believe in ... — Baruch, Tue Apr 24 18:52
              Hollow Earth theory and Flat Earth theory also, and would get a hearing on Fox & Friends ;-) Shalom
              • That's Faux and Friends (nm) — clarym29, Tue Apr 24 19:56
              • I don't buy hollow earth — sai ram, Tue Apr 24 19:15
                but hollow moon might be true.....there has always been something odd about the moon in my mind...sai ram.. http://www.onelight.com/thei/hollowmoon.html
                • Lunacy? (nm) — Baruch, Tue Apr 24 23:50
                  • While — sai ram, Wed Apr 25 00:40
                    While people insist that admissions to psychiatric hospitals, traffic accidents, homicides or suicides increase during a full Moon, there is no scientific evidence to support such claims....but my... more
                    • It's like astrology — clarym29, Wed Apr 25 11:30
                      the stars affect us about as much as the full moon.
                    • dang keyboard.... — sai ram, Wed Apr 25 00:41
                      I'm a bad enough speller without my keyboard putting on a show....sai ram.
                • It's the green cheese..... (nm) — clarym29, Tue Apr 24 19:57
                  • perhaps.......but — sai ram, Tue Apr 24 20:55
                    but I think its odd why the man-in-the-moon...doesn't have a name...everyone should have a name...even if its Ralph....sai ram.
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