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Frashavan
Not enough landed gentry (nm)
Mon May 14, 2012 20:31
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Afghanistan — Frashavan, Sun May 13 22:39

Well worth a read: http://theamericanscholar.org/a-gathering-menace/
BS (nm) — wolf, Mon May 14 19:03

Could you elaborate, Wolf? I would be interested (nm) — Frashavan, Mon May 14 20:30

vike: Well well — sai ram, Mon May 14 15:25

perhaps there is something to Nibiru after all....how does a planet in our solar system hide?.....I always got caught in hide and go seek....standing behind the first tree I went too........sai ram... more
Republican Death Star ... — Baruch, Mon May 14 21:16

commanded by Darth Cheney ;-) Shalom
Going to war and staying at war — clarym29, Mon May 14 09:12

are corporate driven activities. War = profit--it's that simple.
I am increasingly of the opinion... — Frashavan, Mon May 14 10:35

...that the nation-state is obsolescent. We are living through the birth -pangs of the corporation-state. I doubt war will be profitable in the same way it has for the last couple of hundred years in ... more
That point — clarym29, Mon May 14 11:47

was really driven home as I was watching a 60 Min. report on one of the major oil companies policies and how they cannot be controlled by any one govt. Basically, they are a govt. unto themselves.
Multinational corporations ... — Baruch, Mon May 14 13:14

even President Jefferson warned us about those, though in his day they were the British West Indies Company and the British East Indies Company. Shalom
No — sai ram, Mon May 14 10:38

War will abate.....technology will make it so.....reminds me of the Cheech and Chong movie "Up in Smoke".....so to lies our future.....sai ram
At one end of the political-economy spectrum ... — Baruch, Mon May 14 09:53

you have war as the only contributor to GDP ... worked for the Huns and the Mongols. The US is becoming Hunnish. Shalom
The Mexican-American War — clarym29, Mon May 14 10:19

went so well, that the US figured "Why stop now?!"
We are back right were we were ... — Baruch, Mon May 14 13:13

with Republican warmongers 100 years ago. I like President Teddy Roosevelt, but he was a bit too fond of war. Shalom
Yeah, I voted for him....... — clarym29, Mon May 14 14:42

at least I would have. And some days it feels as though I could have.
teddy — sai ram, Mon May 14 16:22

Teddy was a man's man...and a president's president as far as I'm concerned....not only would I have voted for him...but would have volunteered as well......but my wife said she wouldn't have voted... more
I believe Wyoming gave women the vote ... — Baruch, Mon May 14 21:13

well before 1920. She could have moved there ;-) Shalom
I would have voted for him too ... bully! (nm) — Baruch, Mon May 14 14:53

I forget — sai ram, Mon May 14 12:22

who was it that won that war?..........sai ram
Colt--Remington maybe. (nm) — clarym29, Mon May 14 13:10

I agree with some commenters ... — Baruch, Mon May 14 01:03

you have to be a particular breed to be good at war ... and citizen professional soldiers who enlist to avoid unemployment, might not be the right population. You have to create highly disciplined... more
Despite the euphoria of Spring 2011... — Frashavan, Mon May 14 07:52

...I assumed that things would end up badly, and pretty much status quo. In my heart, I am afraid that Bakunin and his indirect disciple Lenin were correct -- undisciplined masses do not make lasting ... more
Their kind were quite supportive of the ... — Baruch, Mon May 14 09:40

Austrian corporal back in the 20s and 30s. It might not be conspiracy, just nostalgia. Shalom
And more thoughs about war — Frashavan, Sun May 13 22:44

http://www.thenation.com/article/167805/enduring-condition-war-time
I don't share this optimism ... — Baruch, Mon May 14 01:08

things aren't drawing down in Afghanistan, and things are escalating in Syria and Iran. It is also true that the Americans have entered a unique nihilist fugue since 9/11, and that the Elite have... more
The salient difference being... — Frashavan, Mon May 14 07:44

... if the Capital were burned to the ground, no one would miss Congress at all, thanks to the antics of the Democrats and Republicans. Hitler was a piker at this public manipulation thing. Actually, ... more
The Left, like the Right, isn't neutral ... — Baruch, Mon May 14 09:42

both have an axe to grind on someone's neck. Aside from anarchists, they only differ on how totalitarianism is to be implemented, and which cadre will lead it. Shalom
And even anarchists — clarym29, Mon May 14 14:44

And even anarchists argue about which person's set of personal laws will lead the pack.
Not really anarchists, then (nm) — Frashavan, Mon May 14 20:32

Many near-anarchists, like the American founding fathers ... — Baruch, Mon May 14 14:55

assumed that that law would be natural law, and so limited government would be possible to an educated and civically minded public. Things didn't work out that way. Shalom
Not enough landed gentry (nm) — Frashavan, Mon May 14 20:31
The system doesn't support that many of them ... — Baruch, Mon May 14 21:14

lets say take the total arable land, divide by 1000 acres each, and that is how many gentry you can fit. All others are farm/ranch hands or house servants. Shalom
And, before you ask, Baruch.... — Frashavan, Sun May 13 22:47

...no, I have not become a pacifist. I don't know if war -- real war, not the stuff of fiction and romanticized nostalgia -- was ever noble. I rather doubt it. I do think, however, that it is... more
I have known coworkers who have gone over ... — Baruch, Mon May 14 00:47

but they aren't close to me, haven't shared much with us, except "close calls". Nobody from our unit hurt yet, at least in ways that can be seen. As a student of history, it is hard except in... more
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