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ipirate2
Re: Very interesting title and post.....
Mon May 14, 2012 20:39
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Thanks for this.

You speak well on this but more of natural selection where a bird let's say, has a longer beak and will be favored because he can reach further into a flower while shorter beaked birds cannot.

That does not mean or refute the fact that nature does it's best, not consciously of course, to produce the best individuals that it can, given all the conditions and DNA.

Have a look at that, you as a newborn scenario and tell us how nature could have possibly done better given your DNA and all other conditions at hand. Just focus on what is there and not the environment you will have to compete in later.

Apply some anthropic principle to your thinking.

Regards
DL



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        Yes. We have all invented our own brand. Regards DL
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      • Re: Very interesting title and post..... — ipirate2, Mon May 14 20:39
        • A somewhat new set of ideas..... — clarym29, Mon May 14 20:58
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                ""considered by many to be the greatest and most influential scientist who ever lived." Not surprising. Gravity works. Regards DL
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