BaruchYes, the Persian faction among the Jews ...Wed May 16, 2012 22:0922.214.171.124really missed it ... though such an invasion did occur at the time that the young Prince Herod (of Bethlehem infamy) was forced from Palestine into temporary Roman exile, and his brother was killed by that same Jewish faction. The problem was the Persians forgot to stay longer. Persians and Jews were traditional allies, for the previous 500 years. It was both religiously and politically questionable, that Hellenizing Jews, like Paul's ancestors, were sucking up to the Greeks, who were the greatest enemy of the Persians in the past, only to be replaced by the duller Romans.
Yes, there is a bit of myth about the Maccabees. Obviously something the Hellenized Jews didn't care to celebrate, any more than modern Jews would celebrate Krystalnacht. And the Parushim (Pharisees) having been martyred by later Hasmoneans, didn't want to celebrate Hannukah as simply a Maccabee victory, but inserted the Temple oil miracle to change the focus. I suspect Hannukah has only been celebrated as a Maccabee story only by modern Jews in light of modern Zionism.
One of the simplest forms of magic is recapitulation in symbol, in the hope of recapitulation in reality. If your manipulation of icons is sufficiently fruitful, that can be a very powerful thing to do. Shirts often are used ... by Mullah Muhammad Omar in Afghanistan, a few years before his son-in-law Osama declared war on the West .. in this case a shirt of the prophet Muhammad. This was a redeclaration of an Afghan Caliphate, as had been done before in the 1920s after the Ottomans relinquished the title. Similarly the shirt of John the Baptist was manipulated in Germany in the early 1930s if I recall correctly, to give theological legitimacy to the new dictator. The Nazis themselves scouring the planet to gather holy relics ... as lampooned in Raiders of the Lost Ark.
Seculars like Kasey would have no idea what was going on, since their view of reality excludes so much of historical human behavior, at least anything not already covered in Dr Pangloss' class with Candide.
- Getting trapped in mythology Frashavan, Wed May 16 18:46I suspect that the Zealots wanted to reenact the Myth of the Maccabees. Had they coordinated their uprisings with Arsacid invasions, they would have achieved more success.
- Yes, the Persian faction among the Jews ... Baruch, Wed May 16 22:09
- I suspect that the Roman reaction to 70 CE and Bar Kochba .. Frashavan, Thu May 17 17:31...had more than a little to do with fearing a Persian ploy, if not outright involvement. Thus the banning of the Jews from Judea had more to do with disrupting a Parthian Fifth Column than may be... more
- "I Claudius" recreated them (nm) Baruch, Thu May 17 17:47
- And was an enjoyable fiction Frashavan, Fri May 18 08:01But the historian in me craves more. Just as I wish we had more ....