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Baruch
When the Buddha became enlightened ...
Fri May 18, 2012 07:43
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he had defeated the god of illusion. But reality didn't cease to exist, as Hindus believe when Brahman wakes up from his dream. The Buddha went from being in the Matrix, and not knowing it, to being in the Matrix and knowing it. Full nirvana, the compete ending of illusions, only came with death. I for one have no immediate need to end all illusions. But I have to struggle to realize each day, that is what I am dealing with.

The point of a koan isn't to have a clever answer. The point is to realize that there isn't an answer. And having realized that, to have shut up the mental monkey a little bit further. In fact your answer can't be their answer anyway, because transmission of wisdom occurs without words, the words in fact get in the way of the transmission. Let each student come up with their own answer, and then to discard their own answer.

Illusion is a lot of fun, I am glad to have gotten to participate in the Matrix, a much better video game than X-box can provide ... but you get no extra lives IMHO. The question of reincarnation/transmigration depends on answering the question of personal identity. And the Buddha says that, and even nirvana, are as much an illusion as anything else. I want to compose a death gatha in Classical Chinese that is a vehicle for encouraging the realization of the illusion of personal identity ... it will be my testament ... as a most precious gift for my daughter. I hope I have enough years left to do it justice ;-) Of course being writing, it isn't the moon, just a finger pointing at the moon. One has to get to the moon on one's own, no less then Neil Armstrong.

Shalom

  • Is hell anything like -- do unto others and love the sinner? Some more enlightened Christians are trying to mature Christianity. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF6I5VSZVqc The Christian invention of... more
    • I agree ...Baruch, Tue May 15 18:19
      on the other hand, the original, bodhisattva Avalokiteshvara, would say that with karma you get what you deserve, even though both punishment and reward are delusions ;-) The Jewish version seems too ... more
      • Re: I agree ...ipirate2, Tue May 15 21:42
        Influenced perhapd but they never bought into such a repugnant concept from what I know of most of them. Regards DL
      • Yet the majority believe in Satan and hell. That is what happens from taking myths literally. Regards DL
        • At least in the US ...Baruch, Wed May 16 05:56
          only the Fundies believe in Satan and Hell ... most have defected to "feel good" religion ... a bourgoise Manicheism. Shalom
          • Benedict wants RCs to believe in SatanFrashavan, Wed May 16 13:39
            But I can't say he is making much impact in North America; and doubt he is making much progress in Europe, either. Of course, the RC hierarchy seems pretty much convinced the future of the Roman... more
            • Yes, Christians are more conservative ...Baruch, Wed May 16 17:23
              in Third World countries, in all denominations. But then I think just as that creates centrifugal forces for the Anglicans, so also for the Catholics. This is what led to the split between Shia and... more
              • I think this is, overall, a good thing. The Hitler as monster stuff that has dominated since the end of the war didn't help anyone who wanted to prevent fascism, or demagoguery, because it made... more
                • BUT ON RACIAL OR RELIGIOUS TOPICS! (nm)Kasey, Thu May 17 03:23
                • Correct, but deliberate propaganda ...Baruch, Wed May 16 18:42
                  the intent was to immediately turn around W Germany, as a bulwark against Stalin and as the center-piece of NATO. So the non-Nazi Germans were immediately counted as "good" Germans ... and basically... more
                  • been well tempted to continue the advance westward by any means at his disposal, that's another factor in re-arming the Germans and rebuilding their shattered economy and self-image. Regards, Kasey
                  • The extremists on FOX tap into a deep wellFrashavan, Wed May 16 18:53
                    The fact is nearly everyone has sympathy for the arguments "Taxes are too high!", "The government is too intrusive!" "Many government regulations are insane!"... The more they harp on those few... more
                    • Telling people what they want to hear ...Baruch, Wed May 16 22:17
                      is the very meat of politics, red meat to carnivores. Also marketing to consumers who are equally bloody in tooth and claw. Americans are natural rebels if not anarchists. This is what plagued... more
                      • Largely a mythFrashavan, Thu May 17 07:41
                        The American Revolution was really exchanging a distant landed gentry for a local one. The "rugged individualist" and "rebel" myths are just that, myths. Most people end up cheering for The Earps and ... more
                        • Molly Maguires?Baruch, Thu May 17 17:56
                          It helps to have some New England or NYC class, like the Cornelius Vanderbuilt vs Filibusters in Latin America. Or Tombstone mining interests agains the local cattle rustlers and horse thieves. Hence ... more
          • Re: At least in the US ...ipirate2, Wed May 16 10:10
            Yes. You will improve my vocabulary if my memory still works. Regards DL
      • Notions of Hell ...Baruch, Tue May 15 18:09
        as an after-life place of punishment, originated in New Kingdom Egypt, including a classic Last Judgement. Prior to that time in Egypt, in the Old Kingdom for instance, only the Pharaoh really got an ... more
    • IndeedMN_Morgan, Tue May 15 14:08
      Wishing upon others, you bring it upon yourself, though you do not recognize it because you think it has another form than what you expected. Expecting that it is a real place, it is created for you... more
      • A horticultural motif ...Baruch, Tue May 15 18:13
        plant brambles, and brambles will grow up, to the harm of all. Plant grapes and grapes will grow up, to the benefit of all. However I don't see it being tit for tat ... as karma requires. Shalom
        • Never tit for tatMN_Morgan, Tue May 15 18:48
          Just a product of itself, hence why it is so in-discriminant as to who it affects.
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