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Baruch
Well if one sees Soren as the first theistic existentialist
Wed May 23, 2012 18:27
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... as the first Christian theologian to deal with the nihilism of modernity, one is left with a leap of faith. I disagree with him, because he was still haunted by his modernity, and I have purged myself of it. Having seen my face before my parents were born ... the meaning of faith in its usual modern definition (as something irrational), is not how I would phrase it. Faith is unnecessary, if one is able to see things as they are, if one has banned the "natural" duality invented by the Greek Geeks ... I no more need faith to believe in G-d, than I need faith to believe in you.

Yes, there are generational victims on the Nazi side, not just the Jewish side. Not to mention all the other people killed. But that is the difference between shame and guilt. Guilt really should be applied to these children of Nazis ... they weren't personally responsible for their parent's actions. But in a shame culture (which is part of the reason all Jews were targeted, because in shame because of some bad Jewish apples, all were to be punished), one is never quite free of ones parents and other prior generations. I suspect the truth is both ... though humans usually choose poles apart. Quite a few Jews who are children of concentration camp survivors have been traumatized by their parents ongoing nightmares (see Maus). Again, unjustified in a guilt culture.

The idea of some Nazi children sterilizing themselves to prevent offspring ties in ironically with the whole Germanic race theory. And there are people on the other side, usually Gentiles, who believe in a Davidic blood line and a Nephelim blood line, who would agree that the children of Nephelim should never have children. And they are haunted by the idea that even if they are Davidic, that with even a drop of Nephelim blood, they will not be saved, because for them salvation is strictly sanquine.

Shalom

  • Saw two sad obits this weekend — Frashavan, Sun May 20 19:23
    One was for a infant that died 2 days after being born; the other was for a woman who had, it would seem taken her own life as the result of mental illness. Both of them left me feeling very sad; the ... more
    • The real meaning of life...... — clarym29, Wed May 23 12:39
      Find a place inside where there's joy, and the joy will burn out the pain. Read more at Follow your bliss and the universe will open doors where there were only walls. I don't believe people are... more
    • Nice Khayyam eulogy ... — Baruch, Mon May 21 00:03
      are you saing that the infant belonged to the woman, and she committed suicide over it? Shalom
      • I don't think so — Frashavan, Mon May 21 03:37
        Although they did come from the same suburb... That would be unbearably tragic. I am just finding the sense of futility grows deeper as I age.
        • Your attachments — sai ram, Mon May 21 08:29
          Your attachments on how the world should operate are causing you turmoil (suffering)......give up attachments......Buddha Sai Ram
          • Really? — clarym29, Wed May 23 12:43
            Does not the act of living cause turmoil? And being dedicated to giving up attachments is an attachment itself. Seems that when we give up attachments we are then dead--or only death will allow us to ... more
            • Well — sai ram, Wed May 23 22:32
              yes, turmoil does exist in life.....now the question is can you eliminate as much of it as possible?....can you do things that will cut down the turmoil?.....I would have to say yes (am I hearing a... more
            • The rhetoric of Mahayana Buddhism ... — Baruch, Wed May 23 18:14
              and in later Hinduism, to the extent it borrowed from Buddhism ... is quite tricky. At the highest level, one is supposed to even give up attachment to the Four Noble Truths, the Eight Fold Way and... more
              • Six Characters in Search of an Author — Frashavan, Wed May 23 18:35
                I sometimes think there is something to Pirnadello's play. We know (well, most adults know, anyway) that we play parts. Further, we assume that the parts we play are not what we are, but something... more
                • No--I have never felt cheated..... — clarym29, Wed May 23 20:30
                  many times I've not known what to feel or felt that "reality" was pretty much shit. It is often said that life isn't fair. Maybe it's just that it is so fair, so neutral, that what we are seeing and... more
                • Well Mahayana Buddhism would agree ... — Baruch, Wed May 23 18:47
                  that there is no final kernel, it is just emptiness. But then they understand that in ultimate reality, emptiness and fullness are equivalent, and that person and non-person are equivalent. As far as ... more
                  • Mayhaps..... — clarym29, Wed May 23 20:37
                    G_d is what we make of he/she; what we craft inside and that we give life to it/he/she on an individual basis. If you ask people what god is like, and you really listen, you will find that each... more
                    • No, I am not pessimistic, just sick and tired ... — Baruch, Wed May 23 21:47
                      what i have to do is embrace the lessons sickness and tiredness have to teach me ... damn! Yes, of course what each person has to say about G-d, whether via positiva or via negativa ... tells us much ... more
                      • I've always liked that idea..... — clarym29, Wed May 23 22:29
                        Namaste--that is one of my favorite greetings. It means to me that you are welcome in my world and you are a fellow human. Namaste
                  • Ultimately, ther is no ultimately — Frashavan, Wed May 23 19:00
                    The problem is, I am feeling very un-Yeatsian, at the moment. “Life is a long preparation for something that never happens.” Very true, but not the sort of thing that makes one want to continue to... more
                    • I have only stood on small mountains ... — Baruch, Wed May 23 21:31
                      Mt Evans in Colorado for example (road all the way to the top, but passable only in August). Mt Everest is twice that high. Mountains have always been inspiring. Ah to die while doing something you... more
                      • A final word from Khayyam — Frashavan, Wed May 23 21:40
                        Alike for those who for TO-DAY prepare, And those that after a TO-MORROW stare, A Muezzin from the Tower of Darkness cries "Fools! your Reward is neither Here nor There!"
                    • You say...... — clarym29, Wed May 23 21:02
                      “Life is a long preparation for something that never happens.” Very true, but not the sort of thing that makes one want to continue to struggle... ------For me I don't expect anything out of life.... more
                      • You are missing Eliot's Zen irony (nm) — Baruch, Wed May 23 21:39
                        • Indeed — Frashavan, Wed May 23 21:47
                          Heraclitus was wrong...the river doesn't change. It's the same person who can never step twice into it.
                          • Zen master Hui Neng ... — Baruch, Wed May 23 21:52
                            when he had neared his home, and still living in obscurity after receiving the dharma from his master ... he came to a Buddhist temple where the local master was discussing things with his disciples... more
              • Being glib......and not...... — clarym29, Wed May 23 18:29
                I do not have the depth of understanding of the Eastern religions/philosophies that you do. But I do have a grasp of the main thoughts on many of them. I was being somewhat glib with my observations. ... more
                • Anytime you encounter mortality ... — Baruch, Wed May 23 18:35
                  you are seeing the elephant. This was applied to soldiers in the 19th century, when they had first experienced battle. It is OK to be glib, but do add some emoticons. Also don't make an idol of me.... more
          • Not sure that's it.... — Frashavan, Tue May 22 07:41
            As I said to Baruch, my question runs deeper than mere attachment to illusions.
        • Still Here by Ram Dass ... — Baruch, Mon May 21 06:41
          if you are still working your own agenda, and if it is sufficiently idealistic, then futility is self-generated. If your only agenda is confined to s short horizon in time and space, then your... more
          • Too glib... — Frashavan, Tue May 22 05:29
            What I am trying to wrap my head around is the paradox; is the apparent meaninglessness of it all really just a veil for true meaning? Is it possible that, perhaps, the real meaning is that we are... more
    • As Khyyam says... — Frashavan, Sun May 20 19:52
      Lo! some we loved, the loveliest and best That Time and Fate of all their Vintage prest, Have drunk their Cup a Round or two before, And one by one crept silently to Rest.
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