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• Saw two sad obits this weekend — Frashavan, Sun May 20 19:23
  One was for a infant that died 2 days after being born; the other was for a woman who had, it would seem taken her own life as the result of mental illness. Both of them left me feeling very sad; the ... more
• • The real meaning of life...... — clarym29, Wed May 23 12:39
    Find a place inside where there's joy, and the joy will burn out the pain. Read more at Follow your bliss and the universe will open doors where there were only walls. I don't believe people are... more
  • • Well...speaking of detachment — sai ram, Wed May 23 22:37
      "Find a place inside where there's joy, and the joy will burn out the pain.".........I've tried everything I can think of doing while in a dental chair...joy only comes when I can get out of the... more
    • • Nitrous oxide (nm) — Baruch, Thu May 24 02:29
      • • I get paranoid on it! (nm) — sai ram, Thu May 24 05:20
    • Are we then s jaded? (nm) — Frashavan, Wed May 23 19:03
    • • I don't follow you..... — clarym29, Wed May 23 20:22
        What do you mean by jaded?
      • • JUst that there is something about... — Frashavan, Wed May 23 21:48
          ...seeking experience to remind ourselves that we are alive that seems extremely jaded.
        • • Oh..... — clarym29, Wed May 23 22:19
            but I don't think any of those quotes suggest that we should simply experience things willie-nillie. At least not to me. When I start feeling frantic, I tell myself to sit down and reflect for... more
          • • You are healing ;-) (nm) — Baruch, Thu May 24 02:26
          • Well it can lead to hallucinogens and bungee jumping ;-( — Baruch, Wed May 23 21:54
            We are already alive, but our attitude is broken. Shalom
    • You quote some true wisdom ;-) — Baruch, Wed May 23 18:37
      Congratulations to you, that you apparently know the difference between true and false wisdom. Shalom
    • • Thanks — clarym29, Wed May 23 20:23
        But I am about as far from the keeper of wisdom as one can find.
      • • Only the modest are true masters ... — Baruch, Wed May 23 21:59
          but then the modest are also fools sometimes. The arrogant are clearly fools. This has been my message since I first posted 12 years ago here, and I see no reason to alter it. Shalom
        • • that seems solid. (nm) — clarym29, Wed May 23 22:20
  • Nice Khayyam eulogy ... — Baruch, Mon May 21 00:03
    are you saing that the infant belonged to the woman, and she committed suicide over it? Shalom
  • • I don't think so — Frashavan, Mon May 21 03:37
      Although they did come from the same suburb... That would be unbearably tragic. I am just finding the sense of futility grows deeper as I age.
    • • Your attachments — sai ram, Mon May 21 08:29
        Your attachments on how the world should operate are causing you turmoil (suffering)......give up attachments......Buddha Sai Ram
      • • Really? — clarym29, Wed May 23 12:43
          Does not the act of living cause turmoil? And being dedicated to giving up attachments is an attachment itself. Seems that when we give up attachments we are then dead--or only death will allow us to ... more
        • • Well — sai ram, Wed May 23 22:32
            yes, turmoil does exist in life.....now the question is can you eliminate as much of it as possible?....can you do things that will cut down the turmoil?.....I would have to say yes (am I hearing a... more
          • The rhetoric of Mahayana Buddhism ... — Baruch, Wed May 23 18:14
            and in later Hinduism, to the extent it borrowed from Buddhism ... is quite tricky. At the highest level, one is supposed to even give up attachment to the Four Noble Truths, the Eight Fold Way and... more
          • • Six Characters in Search of an Author — Frashavan, Wed May 23 18:35
              I sometimes think there is something to Pirnadello's play. We know (well, most adults know, anyway) that we play parts. Further, we assume that the parts we play are not what we are, but something... more
            • • No--I have never felt cheated..... — clarym29, Wed May 23 20:30
                many times I've not known what to feel or felt that "reality" was pretty much shit. It is often said that life isn't fair. Maybe it's just that it is so fair, so neutral, that what we are seeing and... more
              • Well Mahayana Buddhism would agree ... — Baruch, Wed May 23 18:47
                that there is no final kernel, it is just emptiness. But then they understand that in ultimate reality, emptiness and fullness are equivalent, and that person and non-person are equivalent. As far as ... more
              • • Mayhaps..... — clarym29, Wed May 23 20:37
                  G_d is what we make of he/she; what we craft inside and that we give life to it/he/she on an individual basis. If you ask people what god is like, and you really listen, you will find that each... more
                • • No, I am not pessimistic, just sick and tired ... — Baruch, Wed May 23 21:47
                    what i have to do is embrace the lessons sickness and tiredness have to teach me ... damn! Yes, of course what each person has to say about G-d, whether via positiva or via negativa ... tells us much ... more
                  • • I've always liked that idea..... — clarym29, Wed May 23 22:29
                      Namaste--that is one of my favorite greetings. It means to me that you are welcome in my world and you are a fellow human. Namaste
                • Ultimately, ther is no ultimately — Frashavan, Wed May 23 19:00
                  The problem is, I am feeling very un-Yeatsian, at the moment. “Life is a long preparation for something that never happens.” Very true, but not the sort of thing that makes one want to continue to... more
                • • I have only stood on small mountains ... — Baruch, Wed May 23 21:31
                    Mt Evans in Colorado for example (road all the way to the top, but passable only in August). Mt Everest is twice that high. Mountains have always been inspiring. Ah to die while doing something you... more
                  • • A final word from Khayyam — Frashavan, Wed May 23 21:40
                      Alike for those who for TO-DAY prepare, And those that after a TO-MORROW stare, A Muezzin from the Tower of Darkness cries "Fools! your Reward is neither Here nor There!"
                  • You say...... — clarym29, Wed May 23 21:02
                    “Life is a long preparation for something that never happens.” Very true, but not the sort of thing that makes one want to continue to struggle... ------For me I don't expect anything out of life.... more
                  • • You are missing Eliot's Zen irony (nm) — Baruch, Wed May 23 21:39
                    • • Indeed — Frashavan, Wed May 23 21:47
                        Heraclitus was wrong...the river doesn't change. It's the same person who can never step twice into it.
                      • • Zen master Hui Neng ... — Baruch, Wed May 23 21:52
                          when he had neared his home, and still living in obscurity after receiving the dharma from his master ... he came to a Buddhist temple where the local master was discussing things with his disciples... more
            • Being glib......and not...... — clarym29, Wed May 23 18:29
              I do not have the depth of understanding of the Eastern religions/philosophies that you do. But I do have a grasp of the main thoughts on many of them. I was being somewhat glib with my observations. ... more
            • • Anytime you encounter mortality ... — Baruch, Wed May 23 18:35
                you are seeing the elephant. This was applied to soldiers in the 19th century, when they had first experienced battle. It is OK to be glib, but do add some emoticons. Also don't make an idol of me.... more
              • • And once again....... — clarym29, Wed May 23 20:41
                  balance comes into play. It is hard to find fault with the little trite saying--all in moderation. That is a simple concept--except when one really takes it inside and mulls it over. Then it can... more
                • • We make the simple complex, adding entropy (nm) — Baruch, Wed May 23 21:57
                  • • Funny, I was just thinking about entropy — Frashavan, Wed May 23 21:59
                      Overall entropy increases, no matter how ordered and purposeful local phenomena appear. :(
                    • • One of the simplest lies ... — Baruch, Wed May 23 22:00
                        is to ignore the context ... the unintended negative consequences. Shalom
        • Not sure that's it.... — Frashavan, Tue May 22 07:41
          As I said to Baruch, my question runs deeper than mere attachment to illusions.
      • Still Here by Ram Dass ... — Baruch, Mon May 21 06:41
        if you are still working your own agenda, and if it is sufficiently idealistic, then futility is self-generated. If your only agenda is confined to s short horizon in time and space, then your... more
      • • Too glib... — Frashavan, Tue May 22 05:29
          What I am trying to wrap my head around is the paradox; is the apparent meaninglessness of it all really just a veil for true meaning? Is it possible that, perhaps, the real meaning is that we are... more
        • • Life isn't meaningless, even for an aborted child ... — Baruch, Tue May 22 18:40
            and I don't think that meaning is the callousness of the mother, or her desperate circumstances. One must escape modernity to have meaning, it is the illusion of modernity that sucks the meaning out... more
          • • I don't think it's meaningless, either — Frashavan, Tue May 22 21:05
              But, sometimes I find I must fight against the feeling that they are... Right now, I'm at a low ebb (somewhat better than a few weeks ago; I took some time off work) and it's harder to find the... more
            • • You are in mourning, what is your practice? (nm) — Baruch, Wed May 23 21:38
              • • Stand upon a riverbank... — Frashavan, Wed May 23 22:01
                  ...set candles adrift in the evening and watch them float slowly downstream. One by one, all the lights go out.
          • Got Kierkegaard? (nm) — Baruch, Tue May 22 06:56
          • • And what would Søren say about this? — Frashavan, Wed May 23 07:36
              Do the sins of the Fathers descend unto unborn generations? Nazi legacy: The troubled descendants http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18120890#blq-nav-more-links
            • • Well if one sees Soren as the first theistic existentialist — Baruch, Wed May 23 18:27
                ... as the first Christian theologian to deal with the nihilism of modernity, one is left with a leap of faith. I disagree with him, because he was still haunted by his modernity, and I have purged... more
              • • Hitler's American cousins did the same thing — Frashavan, Wed May 23 19:02
                  They refused to have children on the grounds that the name was evil, and should die with them... I find it odd, and sad.
                • • Racism is a two edged sword (nm) — Baruch, Wed May 23 21:37
          • Oh, existential crisis! — Baruch, Tue May 22 06:39
            I will respond at length, but I have to go to work now. I work, therefore I am. Shalom
          • • But — sai ram, Tue May 22 08:27
              where you go..is where you went.....where you went is who you are....existential indeed!.........sai ram.
            • • I think he is needing something a little less Indian ;-) (nm) — Baruch, Tue May 22 18:23
  • As Khyyam says... — Frashavan, Sun May 20 19:52
    Lo! some we loved, the loveliest and best That Time and Fate of all their Vintage prest, Have drunk their Cup a Round or two before, And one by one crept silently to Rest.

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