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Frashavan
Thoughts at the end of May -- graduation time
Sat May 26, 2012 15:44
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Myself when young did eagerly frequent

Doctor and Saint, and heard great Argument

About it and about: but evermore

Came out by the same Door as in I went.




With them the Seed of Wisdom did I sow,

And with my own hand labour'd it to grow:

And this was all the Harvest that I reap'd---

"I came like Water, and like Wind I go."

  • Amen to that ;-) (nm) — Baruch, Sat May 26 20:57
    • If it hadn't been for Khayyam... — Frashavan, Sat May 26 21:38
      ... I would not have survived adolescence. Those who dismiss him (or, at least Fitzgerald's translation/interpretation of him) as mere epicurian drivel are, IMHO, not reading him closely.
      • Are you sure we're not twins? (nm) — Mirage, Sat Jun 2 01:45
        • Was he important to you, too? — Frashavan, Sat Jun 2 07:25
          That's interesting...
          • Oh yes, oh yes, still helps sometimes. — Mirage, Sat Jun 2 11:07
            I'm sort of surprised if you're surprised, actually. I have the translation of The Rubaiyat that I have since learned is considered by many to be utterly bastardized, though. :( I've been sort of... more
            • I like the Fitzgerald version — Frashavan, Sat Jun 2 19:26
              All the translations "interpret" rather than do word for word translation, as far as I can see. Fitzgerald worked and worked at his translations, trying to get them close to the originals but having... more
            • Have read several translations of Gilgamesh ... — Baruch, Sat Jun 2 12:32
              but the most scholarly (showing my prejudice) is the Penguin Classic edition by Andrew George. It has the gaps where there are gaps, the repetitions where there are repetitions (this was probably for ... more
      • The Iranian govt. aren't keen on his influence today. (nm) — Kasey, Mon May 28 03:12
        • Perhaps ... — Baruch, Mon May 28 05:01
          I have heard that Persians today are still readers of poetry, so I don't see any reason why. Ferdowsi, Khayyam and Hafez are some of the greats of Persian literature, and originally, Iranian Shiism,... more
          • Iranians are great lovers of poetry — Frashavan, Mon May 28 06:06
            Some of Khayyam's stuff -- his celebration of love and the vine, for example -- might raise the ire of more literally minded puritans, a group that Kasey has a good deal in common with! But, as you... more
            • Judaism is similar ... — Baruch, Mon May 28 06:47
              usually Modern Orthodox Judaism is considered normative, with most being apostates that the Orthodox hope to reconvert some day "ba'al teshuvim", and a few taking it too far (Hasidim). This is mostly ... more
      • Saved by Persian Sufism? — Baruch, Sun May 27 00:44
        I can't judge Fitzgerald's translation, other than I like it, but there are people opposed to the coded worldliness of Khayyam's lines, as having not enough Islam in them, not enough sand. One can... more
        • Khayyam was always suspect — Frashavan, Mon May 28 06:21
          After all, he was an associate of the Hashshashins, something he had trouble living down, even in his day.
          • Maybe self preservation ... — Baruch, Mon May 28 15:10
            if I knew Mafia people, I don't think it is possible to un-know them ;-( Shalom
            • Funny Yakuza ... — Baruch, Mon May 28 15:20
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yySu-BPX2XE My daughter turned me on to this last week ... Beginning Japanese woman HS teacher ... but secretly she is Yakuza. This is a comic modern Japanese version... more
  • Education — sai ram, Sat May 26 16:23
    what I learned in a school environment that really helped in life was the type of kids there.....the pettiness....the mean ones...the nice ones....the two faced ones.....meeting and learning about... more
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