ipirate2God is almost omnipotent. He has many limits.Tue May 29, 2012 16:29188.8.131.52God is almost omnipotent. He has many limits.
Omnipotent is defined in part as having power or authority without limits IOW, almighty.
Seems to me that God has a few limits.
He cannot reproduce true.
He cannot enjoy sex.
He cannot reproduce without bestiality or cross species breeding.
He can only reproduce half breed chimeras like Jesus.
He could not create a heaven without Satan.
He could not create Eden without evil in it.
He cannot control wayward demons or devils.
He cannot sin, although scripture says he does.
He cannot live without needs like adoration, honour, obedience, love.
He cannot accept a soul into heaven without us accepting Jesus and human sacrifice.
He could not forgive sin without having Jesus sacrificed.
Feel free to add to this list.
How then can Christians say that God omnipotent, all-powerful and without limits when he clearly has many?
- Anything is possible in one's imagination! (nm) Kasey, Tue Jun 5 17:54
- Re: Anything is possible in one's imagination! ipirate2, Thu Jun 7 12:10No argument for sure. Regards DL
- vike: Gee sai ram, Wed May 30 12:20Gee I wonder how this tragedy could have been prevented?.....I wonder?........ more
- Re: vike: Gee Mirage, Sat Jun 2 02:02Not sitting down next to it. That was probably interpreted as a predatory gesture by the snake. Big predators often sit next to the prey and play with it. If a giant sat down next to me, I'd probably ... more
- Re: vike: Gee ipirate2, Thu May 31 08:56Education is the only tool against stupidity. Regards DL
- Momentary lapse of faith? Baruch, Wed May 30 19:13or example of the adage, that if you can't be a positive example, you can at least be a negative example ;-( Shalom
- People make light of the Church of God with Signs Following Frashavan, Wed May 30 21:32...but, honestly, I find it one of the most interesting manifestations of American religiosity. To the extent that I think that Joseph Smith rediscovered the patriarchail strain in the YHWHistic... more
- snakes and strychnine Mirage, Fri Jun 1 11:09Hmm, kids growing up in California usually are made to handle or care for non-poisonous snakes at some point as part of nature/bio studies. My experience with snakes is, they really like warmth, and... more
- Ancient Semitic snake handling .... Baruch, Fri Jun 1 17:04http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qetesh Shalom
- I will say sai ram, Wed May 30 22:42I will say that the handling of dangerous snakes in Church would be much more entertaining than the same old boring Masses I grew up with in the Catholic Church....but being entertained in Church is... more
- Only Goths ... Baruch, Fri Jun 1 03:19should go to a Gothic cathedral ;-) Shalom
- I agree on all of that ... Baruch, Wed May 30 21:40there is something quite pre-Jewish about Christianity, even without the Buddhist imports. I have to think of snake cults in Babylon perhaps, or even earlier to Gilgamesh. I think you are right, when ... more
- I still keep wondering... Mirage, Sat Jun 2 04:42why when people discuss this stuff, the potential influence of African slaves' possible contributions to American Christianity is never ever mentioned. I mean, people discuss Mexican Catholicism very ... more
- Racism!!!! (nm) Kasey, Tue Jun 5 17:55
- I have a good book on this Frashavan, Sat Jun 2 17:21"Trabelin' ON: The Slave Journey to an Afro-Baptist Faith" http://books.google.ca/books/about/Trabelin_on.html?id=M_nPDsNDSTQC&redir_esc=y It's a fascinating read. I suspect that there are many... more
- Africans also brought Islam from W Africa (nm) Baruch, Sat Jun 2 20:40
- I have wondered if that is somewhat respeonsible for... Frashavan, Sat Jun 2 20:50...the absurd reverence that Americans have for the KJV, and for the written word of YHWH in general? A transference from the Koran, perhaps?
- US is still ante-bellum ;-( Baruch, Sat Jun 2 06:40The reason why Southerner's drawl, is because of being raised by African-American slave nannies, who are more or less Gullah. I think that African-Americans have made a very positive contribution,... more
- Yeah Mirage, Sat Jun 2 08:25It's a shame their positive contributions cost them so much and others so little.
- Deepest secrets??? please explain! (nm) Kasey, Thu May 31 00:49
- Any institutional religion ... Baruch, Thu May 31 06:26has a foundation myth, assumptions that are unrealistic and unquestioned, sometimes not even articulated (at least by laity). One of these is ... our religion is unique. Another is .... our founder... more
- Unquestioned assumptions???>>>? (nm) Kasey, Fri Jun 1 02:27
- atheism clarym29, Thu May 31 10:20Seems to me that there are sects within atheism as well. I'd venture to guess that each atheist has their own unique view of the universe, much like every theist having their own unique god. This is... more
- Re. Not knowing for sure..... Kasey, Tue Jun 5 18:08It's existence is as likely as taking all the individual parts of a model train locomotive,putting them in a sealed box so none get lost, and shaking them about and hoping that they will all fit... more
- It was rough for me. Mirage, Sat Jun 2 01:55I still think agnosticism is the most rational position, but I am not patient or accepting person. I had difficulty with giving up the search. I wasn't able to commit to it on a longterm basis. So I... more
- Yes, people are complicated, even atheists ... Baruch, Thu May 31 12:37by taking the Middle Way, you are at least implicitly Buddhist (not indulgence nor ascetism) or Delphic (Nothing in Excess). Shalom
- Agnostic is healthy Frashavan, Thu May 31 11:28I think it describes someone who is being thoroughly rational (Hitchens and Hawking and their ilk are, simply, wrong in castigating people who use the agnostic label). We simple cannot know; there is ... more
- Monotheism for pagans Frashavan, Wed May 30 21:50Almost One good, but we'll cut it a bit, because that vintage is too strong for most to swallow neat. People today think that they have "discovered" something in saying, "Oh, Jesus is just Adonis. "... more
- To see things as they are, one has to get out more often ;-) (nm Baruch, Wed May 30 23:26
- Well sai ram, Tue May 29 20:57God is omnipotent compared to his creation......but since God is beyond our undertanding...we can't understand His true omnipotence including limits......I would think God is limited in that He... more
- Re: Well ipirate2, Wed May 30 09:50If beyond our understanding, then how can you say "God is omnipotent compared to his creation". You would have to understand him and his power enough to compare to us. Regards DL
- Correct! Baruch, Wed May 30 19:14This is the danger of a glib answer ... spoken hastily, but retracted at leisure. Shalom
- It is always blashemy... Frashavan, Wed May 30 21:40...to presume to speak for god that which one has not been commanded to speak. And since I doubt that other recieve clearer commands than I, I suspect most of what is said in god's name is blasphemy.
- I try to be really careful about that. Mirage, Fri Jun 1 11:21You are absolutely right. I am not entirely sure I would know if God is commanding my speech, though.
- Welcome back ;-) (nm) Baruch, Fri Jun 1 17:05
- Televangelists never seem to have the problem Frashavan, Fri Jun 1 13:26Nor did Dubya...me, I can't say I have had regular communication with the Divine.
- I know someone who has auditions .... Baruch, Fri Jun 1 17:05not something I would like to have. Shalom
- When many refuse to name their god, how can that be? (nm) Kasey, Thu May 31 00:53
- Humans are both ignorant and decetful (nm) Baruch, Sat Jun 2 07:03
- You are too wise, like the Wise Lord himself ;-) Baruch, Wed May 30 21:42I think we can claim to speak as avatars, but no avatar is a full revelation, just a small manifestation. Shalom
- In vino veritas Frashavan, Wed May 30 21:43Ask Khayyam...I am a little drunk tonight. A friend was making pina coladas very inexpertly!
- That is a very nice cocktail ... have a good sleep (nm) Baruch, Wed May 30 21:45
- God is simply...... clarym29, Wed May 30 11:24the answer to everybody's "why????". That's why god for every single person is different from any other. God is set up to answer those questions that come up for us, from "Why is the sky blue", to... more
- Very wise ... Baruch, Wed May 30 19:16there are only better questions and worser questions, there are no good answers. Better gods represent better questions. For example, why should I accept Federal Reserve Notes as money? Few are able... more
- :)))) (nm) clarym29, Wed May 30 19:32
- Re: God is simply...... ipirate2, Wed May 30 16:33I agree that to many, all they have is a God of the gaps. Being a Gnostic Christian, I do not believe in a hierarchy between myself and the Godhead so yes, to some extent, we all create our own God... more
- Heavenly hierarchy ... Baruch, Wed May 30 19:25is the product of institutional religion in a hierarchical society. That is the great lie, G-d is directly available to all, without intermediary. Shalom
- Re: God is simply...... clarym29, Wed May 30 18:29As I understand it, Gnostics come in different flavors and stripes. And I also understand that they have a much looser organization that most Christian sects. My point is that any religion that has a ... more
- Re: God is simply...... ipirate2, Thu May 31 11:38"....we all create our own God in our own image. As it should be." Could you expand upon that for me? God cannot be followed. He is not here to lead. What is here are the various rules and... more
- Okay clarym29, Thu May 31 14:57Yeah, that sounds like what happens inside for me as well. If something is wrong, it is simply wrong because deep inside something that I've instilled there tells me that it is wrong. And it matters... more
- That is a rather Jewish position ;-) (nm) Baruch, Thu May 31 12:33
- Adding ... Baruch, Wed May 30 19:27your comment about Orthodox/Roman Christianity, may unfortunately be correct. I pray for their renewal into a living flexible organization, courtesy of the power available from their avatar. Shalom
- Yes... clarym29, Wed May 30 19:33it is unfortunate--but i feel in this I am right.
- Simply a concept of the mind in our image. (nm) Kasey, Wed May 30 17:03
- While sai ram, Wed May 30 12:14While some scientists believe most if not all the "why's" will be all answered in time...I think the more we answer the more we find out we don't know......the "why's" probably go on to infinety... more
- The "god" view ..due to indoctrination, while the scientific Kasey, Wed May 30 21:57view comes from observation of all the evidence in its variatious in practical form. Regards, Kasey
- Science only counts evidence ... Baruch, Wed May 30 23:27that will match its assumptions. Usually a good thing if all you are doing is measuring the mass of an electron. Shalom
- Yet you choose to believe that which .... Kasey, Thu May 31 02:39is both an assumption and only a "concept" based on an assumption, but with no evidence! Regards, Kasey
- Ambition is dangerous ... Baruch, Wed May 30 19:19particularly if we think we have accomplished our ambition. The scholarly ambition is to know and understand. But the wise know and understand, that this is a fool's errand, though being a fool isn't ... more
- Just like in the song....A Day in the life of.... (nm) Kasey, Thu May 31 02:41
- Aks Ceasar Frashavan, Wed May 30 21:33The noble Brutus hath told us that Caesar was an ambitious man, And Brutus is noble. So are they all!
- For most of us sai ram, Wed May 30 19:38for most of us if not all.....not being a fool or foolish isn't an option....from what we eat...to where we go and what we do....and all things in between....some of us have the part down... more
- Yep clarym29, Wed May 30 12:23The "why's" cannot be answered, which is why god will never die. And I agree, the "world" is viewed through the eyes of each person in a different manner---much like god is also viewed differently.
- perhaps sai ram, Wed May 30 15:35while you might not believe God is the answer to some of the "why's"....I do accept this as an answer to a lot of the questions...I like answered "why's" alot more than unanswered ones....even if I... more
- Short version of the Book of Job ... Baruch, Wed May 30 19:21Job: Why? G-d: Because! Shalom
- Well, maybe clarym29, Wed May 30 18:23One of the hurdles I had to make in becoming an adult is accepting the fact that sometimes there is no way to know "why" and simply accept what is. "But my favorite aunt got cancer, why?" "Who... more
- Christians redefine what "is" is ;-) (nm) Baruch, Tue May 29 17:03
- Re: Christians redefine what "is" is ;-) ipirate2, Thu May 31 14:42http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD0eSqFJ7J4 Just found the clip I wanted you to see. Regards DL
- Constantine was a die hard pagan ... Baruch, Thu May 31 18:54except when he thought he was the second coming of Christ, at least that is the Protestant version of history, because the Orthodox/Catholics were based on Constantine being a hero. Constantine... more
- Re: Constantine was a die hard pagan ... ipirate2, Fri Jun 1 08:34"Constantine was a die hard pagan ... except when he thought he was the second coming of Christ, at least that is the Protestant version of history," That is news to me. I have not read anything that ... more
- Well the material in the link ... Baruch, Fri Jun 1 17:56is a bit popularized, and symbology always has more than one interpretation. But their interpretation matches the other evidence. As a worshipper of Sol Invictus, and given the Twelve signs of the... more
- Re: Christians redefine what "is" is ;-) ipirate2, Wed May 30 09:51True. They have their own definition for whatever does not fit their dogma. Regards DL
- True reality will never fit dogma! (nm) Kasey, Wed May 30 21:59
- True, and that is about all the truth there is to say ;-) (nm) Baruch, Thu May 31 12:34