ipirate2Re: OkayThu May 31, 2012 15:03220.127.116.11This Gnostic Christian is pleased to serve.
I took this theology/phylosophy all to way to apotheosis if you have an interest in a pure anecdotal rendering, please read on.
The Godhead I know in a nutshell.
I was a skeptic till the age of 39.
I then had an apotheosis and later branded myself a Gnostic Christian naturalist.
Gnostic Christian because I exemplify this quote from William Blake.
“Both read the Bible day and night, But thou read'st black where I read white.”
This refers to how Gnostics tend to reverse, for moral reasons, what Christians see in the Bible. We tend to recognize the evil ways of O T God where literal Christians will see God’s killing as good. Christians are sheeple where Gnostic Christians are goats.
This perhaps why we see the use of a Jesus scapegoat as immoral, while theists like to make Jesus their beast of burden. An immoral position.
During my apotheosis, something that only lasted 5 or 6 seconds, the only things of note to happen was that my paradigm of reality was confirmed and I was chastised to think more demographically. What I found was what I call a cosmic consciousness. Not a new term but one that is a close but not exact fit.
I recognize that I have no proof. That is always the way with apotheosis.
This is also why I prefer to stick to issues of morality because no one has yet been able to prove that God is real and I have no more proof than they for the cosmic consciousness.
The cosmic consciousness is not a miracle working God. He does not interfere with us save when one of us finds it. Not a common thing from what I can see. It is a part of nature and our next evolutionary step.
I tend to have more in common with atheists who ignore what they see as my delusion because our morals are basically identical. Theist tend not to like me much as I have no respect for literalists and fundamentals and think that most Christians have tribal mentalities and poor morals.
I am rather between a rock and a hard place but this I cannot help.
I am happy to be questioned on what I believe but whether or not God exists is basically irrelevant to this world for all that he does not do, and I prefer to thrash out moral issues that can actually find an end point. The search for God is never ending when you are of the Gnostic persuasion. My apotheosis basically says that I am to discard whatever God I found, God as a set of rules that is, not idol worship it but instead, raise my bar and seek further.
My apotheosis also showed me that God has no need for love, adoration or obedience. He has no needs. Man has dominion here on earth and is to be and is the supreme being.
- God is almost omnipotent. He has many limits. ipirate2, Tue May 29 16:29God is almost omnipotent. He has many limits. Omnipotent is defined in part as having power or authority without limits IOW, almighty. Seems to me that God has a few limits. He cannot reproduce true. ... more
- Anything is possible in one's imagination! (nm) Kasey, Tue Jun 5 17:54
- Re: Anything is possible in one's imagination! ipirate2, Thu Jun 7 12:10No argument for sure. Regards DL
- vike: Gee sai ram, Wed May 30 12:20Gee I wonder how this tragedy could have been prevented?.....I wonder?........ more
- Re: vike: Gee Mirage, Sat Jun 2 02:02Not sitting down next to it. That was probably interpreted as a predatory gesture by the snake. Big predators often sit next to the prey and play with it. If a giant sat down next to me, I'd probably ... more
- Re: vike: Gee ipirate2, Thu May 31 08:56Education is the only tool against stupidity. Regards DL
- Momentary lapse of faith? Baruch, Wed May 30 19:13or example of the adage, that if you can't be a positive example, you can at least be a negative example ;-( Shalom
- People make light of the Church of God with Signs Following Frashavan, Wed May 30 21:32...but, honestly, I find it one of the most interesting manifestations of American religiosity. To the extent that I think that Joseph Smith rediscovered the patriarchail strain in the YHWHistic... more
- snakes and strychnine Mirage, Fri Jun 1 11:09Hmm, kids growing up in California usually are made to handle or care for non-poisonous snakes at some point as part of nature/bio studies. My experience with snakes is, they really like warmth, and... more
- Ancient Semitic snake handling .... Baruch, Fri Jun 1 17:04http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qetesh Shalom
- I will say sai ram, Wed May 30 22:42I will say that the handling of dangerous snakes in Church would be much more entertaining than the same old boring Masses I grew up with in the Catholic Church....but being entertained in Church is... more
- Only Goths ... Baruch, Fri Jun 1 03:19should go to a Gothic cathedral ;-) Shalom
- I agree on all of that ... Baruch, Wed May 30 21:40there is something quite pre-Jewish about Christianity, even without the Buddhist imports. I have to think of snake cults in Babylon perhaps, or even earlier to Gilgamesh. I think you are right, when ... more
- I still keep wondering... Mirage, Sat Jun 2 04:42why when people discuss this stuff, the potential influence of African slaves' possible contributions to American Christianity is never ever mentioned. I mean, people discuss Mexican Catholicism very ... more
- Racism!!!! (nm) Kasey, Tue Jun 5 17:55
- I have a good book on this Frashavan, Sat Jun 2 17:21"Trabelin' ON: The Slave Journey to an Afro-Baptist Faith" http://books.google.ca/books/about/Trabelin_on.html?id=M_nPDsNDSTQC&redir_esc=y It's a fascinating read. I suspect that there are many... more
- Africans also brought Islam from W Africa (nm) Baruch, Sat Jun 2 20:40
- I have wondered if that is somewhat respeonsible for... Frashavan, Sat Jun 2 20:50...the absurd reverence that Americans have for the KJV, and for the written word of YHWH in general? A transference from the Koran, perhaps?
- Really don't think so. Mirage, Sun Jun 3 07:32The reverence for the KJV specifically I think has more to do with beauty of language. Not everyone likes the language. I know Susan isn't a fan and Jefferson hated the KJV enough to write his own... more
- And some people like older versions of scripture ... Baruch, Sun Jun 3 08:48simply because it sounds anachronistic ;-) thus the love for the Vulgate even among those who don't know Latin. Shalom
- Latin has a nice sound Mirage, Sun Jun 3 08:57There are so many bits of Latin in English I do suspect most people who like it get the gist of a lot of it anyway. Old sometimes symbolizes the eternal for people, too.
- Of course, part of the Templar legacy in Scotland ... Baruch, Sat Jun 2 20:58the Outre-Mere people, the Crusaders who weren't military tourists, came to know the Muslims and Jews quite well. Some of that insight got back to W Europe. Religion was quite competitive in the... more
- Can Partially Confirm Mirage, Sun Jun 3 07:54I have an ancestor who was in Jamestown, and he did apparently belong to a secret society referred to as The Enlightened but that may not have been the actual name of it. I am not sure how long it... more
- my wife and you sai ram, Mon Jun 4 08:49my wife is a descendant of Myles Standish....since he was a co-founder of Jamestown...you two could be related.....:)......sai ram
- Nice Mirage, Mon Jun 4 20:23I'm not directly descended from him but I too think it's very likely we're related. Small world, eh? :)
- I think you mean Plymouth (nm) Baruch, Mon Jun 4 20:06
- i'm bad sai ram, Mon Jun 4 23:16and history was my minor in College...well the founder of Jamestown had the first letter in his last name the same anyway with Mr. Standish.........sai ram
- US is still ante-bellum ;-( Baruch, Sat Jun 2 06:40The reason why Southerner's drawl, is because of being raised by African-American slave nannies, who are more or less Gullah. I think that African-Americans have made a very positive contribution,... more
- Yeah Mirage, Sat Jun 2 08:25It's a shame their positive contributions cost them so much and others so little.
- Deepest secrets??? please explain! (nm) Kasey, Thu May 31 00:49
- Any institutional religion ... Baruch, Thu May 31 06:26has a foundation myth, assumptions that are unrealistic and unquestioned, sometimes not even articulated (at least by laity). One of these is ... our religion is unique. Another is .... our founder... more
- Unquestioned assumptions???>>>? (nm) Kasey, Fri Jun 1 02:27
- No system of thought is free of assumptions ... Baruch, Fri Jun 1 03:18there are the assumptions you know and the assumptions you don't know. If you know your assumptions, then they need to be constantly questioned. If you don't know your assumptions, then (the person... more
- That sounds like you know who from the Gulf War. (nm) Kasey, Fri Jun 1 08:01
- atheism clarym29, Thu May 31 10:20Seems to me that there are sects within atheism as well. I'd venture to guess that each atheist has their own unique view of the universe, much like every theist having their own unique god. This is... more
- Re. Not knowing for sure..... Kasey, Tue Jun 5 18:08It's existence is as likely as taking all the individual parts of a model train locomotive,putting them in a sealed box so none get lost, and shaking them about and hoping that they will all fit... more
- Hmmmmm.....a little confused clarym29, Wed Jun 6 11:00Is this analogy for or against the existence of god? Some people seem to be confused by seemingly huge odds. Some suggest that god has to exist since humankind could not result from random events;... more
- It was rough for me. Mirage, Sat Jun 2 01:55I still think agnosticism is the most rational position, but I am not patient or accepting person. I had difficulty with giving up the search. I wasn't able to commit to it on a longterm basis. So I... more
- Something was never right sai ram, Sat Jun 2 17:36Something inside me was never really right when I gave up believing in a Higher Source years ago.....some kind of yearning to know..to seek was always there...in my younger days the seeking to find... more
- It was against my nature. Mirage, Sun Jun 3 03:32Really in my case it was cynicism, grief, depression, bad reasons. I think some people just do not have that urge to look for God. I sort of like people like that because they tend to ask me really... more
- In Hinduism there are four stages ... Baruch, Sat Jun 2 20:43the student, the householder, the renunciate, the forest dwelling hermit. I am in the process of going from #2 to #3, which was accelerated by my divorce and the growing up of my daughter. If the... more
- We all want to be a part of, and not a part of ... Baruch, Sat Jun 2 06:45the culture we are in. Humans in general, and Americans in particular infuriate me. If I get into the group rituals (Memorial Day ... actual observance) I do feel better about it all. I am not... more
- Yes, people are complicated, even atheists ... Baruch, Thu May 31 12:37by taking the Middle Way, you are at least implicitly Buddhist (not indulgence nor ascetism) or Delphic (Nothing in Excess). Shalom
- Well, I must admit clarym29, Thu May 31 13:37I had not thought of it quite that way. I guess I am not conversant enough in Buddhist thought and know little to nothing of Delphic thought. I guess it is time for a little research.
- Alan Watts on Mahayana Buddhism .... Baruch, Thu May 31 22:37http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4phzx2XOL0M Two parts, from 1960. Shalom
- Secret of Delphi ... Baruch, Thu May 31 17:23http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_US9tSBJFE&feature=related Been to Delphi twice. The Pythia (priestess) made responses in a drugged trance to questions put to her by Greek government officials.... more
- Agnostic is healthy Frashavan, Thu May 31 11:28I think it describes someone who is being thoroughly rational (Hitchens and Hawking and their ilk are, simply, wrong in castigating people who use the agnostic label). We simple cannot know; there is ... more
- I think there is a misperception Mirage, Sat Jun 2 01:34I have been at various points in my life, atheist, agnostic, and religious. My father and I agreed that agnosticism was the most rational position. We were both frustrated with being unable to commit ... more
- Euclidean geometry is a useful fiction .... Baruch, Sat Jun 2 06:50was the epitome of rationality for over 2000 years. And is one of the finest products of the human mind. Maybe not the same kind as a good novel. You have an interesting view of agnosticism. I think... more
- It's difficult to be entirely honest Mirage, Sat Jun 2 08:06It was transitional for me I suppose, but I was agnostic (and atheist) for unhealthy reasons. Some people seem to have healthy rational reasons and I think those are the ones I have known that stay... more
- Unable to handle death? Baruch, Sun Jun 3 08:53Whether theist or atheist ... that sounds like bluster. Can anyone who isn't pathological or an undertaker, really handle death? Shalom
- yes sai ram, Sun Jun 3 11:58some of the enlighten ones can....the ones who can peer thru the veil of life and death and see its all one....some children can.....the greatest chance of doing this ...is to be at peace....but most ... more
- I'm dancing on the border lately. Mirage, Sun Jun 3 09:08A lot of times I am fearing living much longer more than I am fearing death. I do still fear suffering, though.
- If you loose your sight, prepare ... Baruch, Sun Jun 3 09:17memorize a favorite poem or paragraph. I nearly lost my sight 8 years ago. Shalom
- I am losing it. Mirage, Sun Jun 3 09:19Memorization is hit and miss for me now. I used to have a near eidetic memory. Then I had one too many concussions. Text to speech is nifty, though, when it works. :)
- persistent clarym29, Thu May 31 11:45Frashavan, I agree with your assessment, basically. When push-comes-to-shove, and I am pressed, I claim the agnostic label. Can't prove one way or another. But I am not surprised that the soft... more
- hmm Mirage, Sat Jun 2 04:50As a panendeist or panentheist, I don't see God as an easy answer at all. Whatever Divinity is, if He/She/They/It exist(s), I can't comprehend. For me God is not an easy answer, but a lifelong quest... more
- The easy part clarym29, Sat Jun 2 09:47When I refereed to the 'the easy part' that is when a person of whatever religion or philosophy gives over their thinking to a hierarchy who then feeds them the answers. It is simply easy to agree... more
- Most of our ancestors were illiterate ... Baruch, Sat Jun 2 10:40we don't have that excuse. Shalom
- Like most literate people you... Frashavan, Sat Jun 2 17:34...overestimate the prevalence of literacy. People routinely estimate that less 1% - less than 5% of the population is illiterate. But anyone who's looked into the problem knows that it is about 20%... more
- Yes, and we discount them immensely. (nm) Mirage, Sun Jun 3 01:06
- One of the greatest good deeds ... Baruch, Sat Jun 2 20:46is to volunteer to teach people to read. So much more important than TV. My teaching Hebrew is a special form of that. Shalom
- I agree, to a point. Wish I could agree 100% Mirage, Sun Jun 3 02:28I've been involved in reading programs a couple of times, despite my dyslexia. Actually, my dyslexia was what qualified me. The kids I was asked to help were dyslexic, and the idea was to have older... more
- Require internet auto-pay? Baruch, Sun Jun 3 09:14Yes, I wouldn't like that. I avoided auto-deposit of my paycheck until last year. The paper check kept getting deposited late! I don't allow any auto-withdrawls from my accounts (with the exception... more
- Am thinking of some others Mirage, Sun Jun 3 09:23Irish, Native Americans, Aboriginal Australians, for example. Many lost languages and many lost cultural history.
- Simple answers to complex questions ... Baruch, Thu May 31 12:38persist, because most of us are simple minded. The sophisticated merely insist on a more complex answer, but that doesn't mean it is a better answer. Shalom
- Rube Goldberg increasingly seems to be Frashavan, Thu May 31 16:20..the prophet of modern times. It's a poor choice. To the average person, on the average day, it matters not one iota if the Earth revolves around the Sun, or vice versa...to say nothing about how... more
- I am basically an advocate of....... clarym29, Thu May 31 14:30the KISS system--keep it simple stupid. and I try to do that.
- Monotheism for pagans Frashavan, Wed May 30 21:50Almost One good, but we'll cut it a bit, because that vintage is too strong for most to swallow neat. People today think that they have "discovered" something in saying, "Oh, Jesus is just Adonis. "... more
- To see things as they are, one has to get out more often ;-) (nm Baruch, Wed May 30 23:26
- Well sai ram, Tue May 29 20:57God is omnipotent compared to his creation......but since God is beyond our undertanding...we can't understand His true omnipotence including limits......I would think God is limited in that He... more
- Re: Well ipirate2, Wed May 30 09:50If beyond our understanding, then how can you say "God is omnipotent compared to his creation". You would have to understand him and his power enough to compare to us. Regards DL
- Correct! Baruch, Wed May 30 19:14This is the danger of a glib answer ... spoken hastily, but retracted at leisure. Shalom
- It is always blashemy... Frashavan, Wed May 30 21:40...to presume to speak for god that which one has not been commanded to speak. And since I doubt that other recieve clearer commands than I, I suspect most of what is said in god's name is blasphemy.
- I try to be really careful about that. Mirage, Fri Jun 1 11:21You are absolutely right. I am not entirely sure I would know if God is commanding my speech, though.
- Welcome back ;-) (nm) Baruch, Fri Jun 1 17:05
- Televangelists never seem to have the problem Frashavan, Fri Jun 1 13:26Nor did Dubya...me, I can't say I have had regular communication with the Divine.
- I know someone who has auditions .... Baruch, Fri Jun 1 17:05not something I would like to have. Shalom
- When many refuse to name their god, how can that be? (nm) Kasey, Thu May 31 00:53
- Humans are both ignorant and decetful (nm) Baruch, Sat Jun 2 07:03
- You are too wise, like the Wise Lord himself ;-) Baruch, Wed May 30 21:42I think we can claim to speak as avatars, but no avatar is a full revelation, just a small manifestation. Shalom
- In vino veritas Frashavan, Wed May 30 21:43Ask Khayyam...I am a little drunk tonight. A friend was making pina coladas very inexpertly!
- That is a very nice cocktail ... have a good sleep (nm) Baruch, Wed May 30 21:45
- God is simply...... clarym29, Wed May 30 11:24the answer to everybody's "why????". That's why god for every single person is different from any other. God is set up to answer those questions that come up for us, from "Why is the sky blue", to... more
- Very wise ... Baruch, Wed May 30 19:16there are only better questions and worser questions, there are no good answers. Better gods represent better questions. For example, why should I accept Federal Reserve Notes as money? Few are able... more
- :)))) (nm) clarym29, Wed May 30 19:32
- Re: God is simply...... ipirate2, Wed May 30 16:33I agree that to many, all they have is a God of the gaps. Being a Gnostic Christian, I do not believe in a hierarchy between myself and the Godhead so yes, to some extent, we all create our own God... more
- Heavenly hierarchy ... Baruch, Wed May 30 19:25is the product of institutional religion in a hierarchical society. That is the great lie, G-d is directly available to all, without intermediary. Shalom
- Re: God is simply...... clarym29, Wed May 30 18:29As I understand it, Gnostics come in different flavors and stripes. And I also understand that they have a much looser organization that most Christian sects. My point is that any religion that has a ... more
- Re: God is simply...... ipirate2, Thu May 31 11:38"....we all create our own God in our own image. As it should be." Could you expand upon that for me? God cannot be followed. He is not here to lead. What is here are the various rules and... more
- Okay clarym29, Thu May 31 14:57Yeah, that sounds like what happens inside for me as well. If something is wrong, it is simply wrong because deep inside something that I've instilled there tells me that it is wrong. And it matters... more
- Re: Okay ipirate2, Thu May 31 15:03
- Thanks. clarym29, Thu May 31 15:15I will think more on what you shared. I like it on first reading and identify with quite a bit of it. Maybe I need to blend Buddhist thought with a bit of Gnostic thought........
- Re: Thanks. ipirate2, Thu May 31 15:29Thanks. Seek and ye shall find. When you do, learn from it, file it, raise the bar and seek anew. If not, you idol worship yourself, so to speak, or whatever you found. Regards DL
- Couldn't agree more clarym29, Fri Jun 1 18:41I believe that--absolutely, without a doubt. Once you chisel something in stone, that is about the time the stone shatters into tiny pieces. Just about the only saying that can be treated as... more
- Re: Couldn't agree more ipirate2, Sat Jun 2 14:58Yes and life would be quite boring according to the writers of Shangri-La stories and suicide would become a good way to pass the time. Regards DL
- Holy men are a special breed ... Baruch, Sat Jun 2 20:47for Orthodox Jewish men, Heaven is spending eternity in yeshiva with the greatest rabbis (or even Moses), studying Torah. Geeks ;-) Shalom
- I agree, three kinds of people ... Baruch, Thu May 31 21:48those who don't seek, those who seek, and those who find. I find the first and the last to be mistaken. Shalom
- Re: I agree, three kinds of people ... ipirate2, Sat Jun 2 15:01Do not be surprised if I write an O P on this. I love to plagiarize my friends. Imitation is said to be a compliment. Regards DL
- I am gratified (nm) Baruch, Sat Jun 2 20:51
- Seeking clarym29, Fri Jun 1 18:43It is a most difficult lesson to learn that no permanent answer lasts.
- might be another one Mirage, Fri Jun 1 11:35I think I may have met someone once who got found somehow. He was one of those people who would probably have been considered "touched" in the Middle Ages. Will not forget him.
- hey... sai ram, Fri Jun 1 22:04good to see you back!.....we all probably have been considered a little touched by someone at sometime.....being touched is in the eye of the beholder...sai ram..
- Re: hey... Mirage, Sat Jun 2 01:59Good to see you, too. Yeah, it's hard to interpret.
- Well, clarym29, Fri Jun 1 18:47Welcome back. "Touched"--we are still dealing with these. And not always successfully. They are surrounded by much fear mainly because we do not understand them or what is happening to them. As we... more
- Good point ;-) (nm) Baruch, Fri Jun 1 17:07
- Re: I agree, three kinds of people ... ipirate2, Fri Jun 1 10:33+ 1 Regards DL
- That is a rather Jewish position ;-) (nm) Baruch, Thu May 31 12:33
- Adding ... Baruch, Wed May 30 19:27your comment about Orthodox/Roman Christianity, may unfortunately be correct. I pray for their renewal into a living flexible organization, courtesy of the power available from their avatar. Shalom
- Yes... clarym29, Wed May 30 19:33it is unfortunate--but i feel in this I am right.
- Simply a concept of the mind in our image. (nm) Kasey, Wed May 30 17:03
- While sai ram, Wed May 30 12:14While some scientists believe most if not all the "why's" will be all answered in time...I think the more we answer the more we find out we don't know......the "why's" probably go on to infinety... more
- The "god" view ..due to indoctrination, while the scientific Kasey, Wed May 30 21:57view comes from observation of all the evidence in its variatious in practical form. Regards, Kasey
- Science only counts evidence ... Baruch, Wed May 30 23:27that will match its assumptions. Usually a good thing if all you are doing is measuring the mass of an electron. Shalom
- Yet you choose to believe that which .... Kasey, Thu May 31 02:39is both an assumption and only a "concept" based on an assumption, but with no evidence! Regards, Kasey
- You reject evidence you find inconvenient .... Baruch, Thu May 31 06:35I accept all evidence, even anecdotal or irrational. Anecdotal evidence can't be reproduced in a controlled lab experiment (but neither can the Big Bang nor can Macro Evolution). The scientific... more
- EVEN MYTHLOGICAL AND FAKED STUFF NO DOUBT AS WELL???? (nm) Kasey, Tue Jun 5 17:59
- Ambition is dangerous ... Baruch, Wed May 30 19:19particularly if we think we have accomplished our ambition. The scholarly ambition is to know and understand. But the wise know and understand, that this is a fool's errand, though being a fool isn't ... more
- Just like in the song....A Day in the life of.... (nm) Kasey, Thu May 31 02:41
- Aks Ceasar Frashavan, Wed May 30 21:33The noble Brutus hath told us that Caesar was an ambitious man, And Brutus is noble. So are they all!
- For most of us sai ram, Wed May 30 19:38for most of us if not all.....not being a fool or foolish isn't an option....from what we eat...to where we go and what we do....and all things in between....some of us have the part down... more
- Yep clarym29, Wed May 30 12:23The "why's" cannot be answered, which is why god will never die. And I agree, the "world" is viewed through the eyes of each person in a different manner---much like god is also viewed differently.
- perhaps sai ram, Wed May 30 15:35while you might not believe God is the answer to some of the "why's"....I do accept this as an answer to a lot of the questions...I like answered "why's" alot more than unanswered ones....even if I... more
- Short version of the Book of Job ... Baruch, Wed May 30 19:21Job: Why? G-d: Because! Shalom
- And that is the crib-sheet for sure, Frashavan, Wed May 30 21:36Though, I think people miss the point that Job's comforters' explanations are useless at best, and disingenuous clap-trap at worst. Even were YHWH to speak to you from out of the whirlwind, would you ... more
- Depends on if you are Chosen ;-) Baruch, Wed May 30 21:47For Elijah, G-d was the small quiet voice, but for Job the Gentile it is tough love ;-) Shalom
- Elijah is a scary dude Frashavan, Wed May 30 21:54He certainly inquired to closely after god's privity. I wonder if the story of him ascending to heaven in YHWH's chariot is a thinly veiled refernce to the other prohpets having murdered him, because ... more
- True, not my favorite prophet ... Baruch, Wed May 30 23:29Elisha was much tamer. John the Baptist modeled on Elijah, Jesus modeled on Elisha IMHO. As far as Romulus goes, it is dangerous precedent to found the Mafia. Shalom
- Well, maybe clarym29, Wed May 30 18:23One of the hurdles I had to make in becoming an adult is accepting the fact that sometimes there is no way to know "why" and simply accept what is. "But my favorite aunt got cancer, why?" "Who... more
- There is a Russian/Jewish parable ... Baruch, Wed May 30 19:23One bad thing leads to another ... but in the end it is revealed that all these bad things, are good. It is my hope that G-d is a Russian Jew ;-) Shalom
- once again clarym29, Wed May 30 19:38In reality, there is not really any bad or good things. Bad and good are labels. And we cannot know the extent of whatever happens or what the ripples of that thing really is or isn't. I find it best ... more
- Accepting what is but moving on ... Baruch, Wed May 30 21:31is what I mean by realism. To me idealism is the inability to do that, because reality is either too negative or not positive enough to suite us. On the negative side, we tend to become an armadillo... more
- Christians redefine what "is" is ;-) (nm) Baruch, Tue May 29 17:03
- Re: Christians redefine what "is" is ;-) ipirate2, Thu May 31 14:42http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD0eSqFJ7J4 Just found the clip I wanted you to see. Regards DL
- Constantine was a die hard pagan ... Baruch, Thu May 31 18:54except when he thought he was the second coming of Christ, at least that is the Protestant version of history, because the Orthodox/Catholics were based on Constantine being a hero. Constantine... more
- Re: Constantine was a die hard pagan ... ipirate2, Fri Jun 1 08:34"Constantine was a die hard pagan ... except when he thought he was the second coming of Christ, at least that is the Protestant version of history," That is news to me. I have not read anything that ... more
- Well the material in the link ... Baruch, Fri Jun 1 17:56is a bit popularized, and symbology always has more than one interpretation. But their interpretation matches the other evidence. As a worshipper of Sol Invictus, and given the Twelve signs of the... more
- Re: Christians redefine what "is" is ;-) ipirate2, Wed May 30 09:51True. They have their own definition for whatever does not fit their dogma. Regards DL
- True reality will never fit dogma! (nm) Kasey, Wed May 30 21:59
- True, and that is about all the truth there is to say ;-) (nm) Baruch, Thu May 31 12:34