ipirate2Re: OkayThu May 31, 2012 15:03184.108.40.206This Gnostic Christian is pleased to serve.
I took this theology/phylosophy all to way to apotheosis if you have an interest in a pure anecdotal rendering, please read on.
The Godhead I know in a nutshell.
I was a skeptic till the age of 39.
I then had an apotheosis and later branded myself a Gnostic Christian naturalist.
Gnostic Christian because I exemplify this quote from William Blake.
“Both read the Bible day and night, But thou read'st black where I read white.”
This refers to how Gnostics tend to reverse, for moral reasons, what Christians see in the Bible. We tend to recognize the evil ways of O T God where literal Christians will see God’s killing as good. Christians are sheeple where Gnostic Christians are goats.
This perhaps why we see the use of a Jesus scapegoat as immoral, while theists like to make Jesus their beast of burden. An immoral position.
During my apotheosis, something that only lasted 5 or 6 seconds, the only things of note to happen was that my paradigm of reality was confirmed and I was chastised to think more demographically. What I found was what I call a cosmic consciousness. Not a new term but one that is a close but not exact fit.
I recognize that I have no proof. That is always the way with apotheosis.
This is also why I prefer to stick to issues of morality because no one has yet been able to prove that God is real and I have no more proof than they for the cosmic consciousness.
The cosmic consciousness is not a miracle working God. He does not interfere with us save when one of us finds it. Not a common thing from what I can see. It is a part of nature and our next evolutionary step.
I tend to have more in common with atheists who ignore what they see as my delusion because our morals are basically identical. Theist tend not to like me much as I have no respect for literalists and fundamentals and think that most Christians have tribal mentalities and poor morals.
I am rather between a rock and a hard place but this I cannot help.
I am happy to be questioned on what I believe but whether or not God exists is basically irrelevant to this world for all that he does not do, and I prefer to thrash out moral issues that can actually find an end point. The search for God is never ending when you are of the Gnostic persuasion. My apotheosis basically says that I am to discard whatever God I found, God as a set of rules that is, not idol worship it but instead, raise my bar and seek further.
My apotheosis also showed me that God has no need for love, adoration or obedience. He has no needs. Man has dominion here on earth and is to be and is the supreme being.
- Okay clarym29, Thu May 31 14:57Yeah, that sounds like what happens inside for me as well. If something is wrong, it is simply wrong because deep inside something that I've instilled there tells me that it is wrong. And it matters... more
- Re: Okay ipirate2, Thu May 31 15:03
- Thanks. clarym29, Thu May 31 15:15I will think more on what you shared. I like it on first reading and identify with quite a bit of it. Maybe I need to blend Buddhist thought with a bit of Gnostic thought........
- Re: Thanks. ipirate2, Thu May 31 15:29Thanks. Seek and ye shall find. When you do, learn from it, file it, raise the bar and seek anew. If not, you idol worship yourself, so to speak, or whatever you found. Regards DL
- Couldn't agree more clarym29, Fri Jun 1 18:41I believe that--absolutely, without a doubt. Once you chisel something in stone, that is about the time the stone shatters into tiny pieces. Just about the only saying that can be treated as... more
- Re: Couldn't agree more ipirate2, Sat Jun 2 14:58Yes and life would be quite boring according to the writers of Shangri-La stories and suicide would become a good way to pass the time. Regards DL
- Holy men are a special breed ... Baruch, Sat Jun 2 20:47for Orthodox Jewish men, Heaven is spending eternity in yeshiva with the greatest rabbis (or even Moses), studying Torah. Geeks ;-) Shalom
- I agree, three kinds of people ... Baruch, Thu May 31 21:48those who don't seek, those who seek, and those who find. I find the first and the last to be mistaken. Shalom
- Re: I agree, three kinds of people ... ipirate2, Sat Jun 2 15:01Do not be surprised if I write an O P on this. I love to plagiarize my friends. Imitation is said to be a compliment. Regards DL
- I am gratified (nm) Baruch, Sat Jun 2 20:51
- Seeking clarym29, Fri Jun 1 18:43It is a most difficult lesson to learn that no permanent answer lasts.
- might be another one Mirage, Fri Jun 1 11:35I think I may have met someone once who got found somehow. He was one of those people who would probably have been considered "touched" in the Middle Ages. Will not forget him.
- hey... sai ram, Fri Jun 1 22:04good to see you back!.....we all probably have been considered a little touched by someone at sometime.....being touched is in the eye of the beholder...sai ram..
- Re: hey... Mirage, Sat Jun 2 01:59Good to see you, too. Yeah, it's hard to interpret.
- Well, clarym29, Fri Jun 1 18:47Welcome back. "Touched"--we are still dealing with these. And not always successfully. They are surrounded by much fear mainly because we do not understand them or what is happening to them. As we... more
- Good point ;-) (nm) Baruch, Fri Jun 1 17:07
- Re: I agree, three kinds of people ... ipirate2, Fri Jun 1 10:33+ 1 Regards DL