ipirate2Is becoming like God good or evil?Thu Jul 5, 2012 15:53220.127.116.11Is becoming like God good or evil?
I would like to restrict giving God any other attribute except for knowing good and evil in this thread. Just for simplicity.
I have two quotes I would like you to consider.
“Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil.”
“Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.”
Knowing good and evil is the same as developing or gaining a moral sense. This is something that all governments and religions wish to develop in us and seems like a good idea to me.
If being perfect like God means that we must have the knowledge of good and evil, then Adam and Eve had to eat of the tree of knowledge ---- if they were to accomplish what most seem to think is a worthy goal. Morals. As God says in Eden, such is to have your eyes opened. A good thing IOW.
In the Jewish view, A & E did the right thing and they name it our elevation. In the Christian view, they did the wrong thing and call it our fall.
Is becoming as Gods, in the moral sense, good or evil?
If evil, please explain what is evil about developing a moral sense and following scriptures that tell us to be as Gods.
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- Re: For a monotheist, obviously both ... ipirate2, Thu Jul 5 20:37Interesting. Especially the Gnostic aspect but I am not sure it any of us would use the word complete. http://gnosticschristians.com/page3.html When I tell people about my apotheosis, I quickly point ... more
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- Re: Several ideas ... ipirate2, Sun Jul 8 09:58I do not dislike God either but as a Gnostic, it is my duty to set the God I found aside, raise the bar of my expectations and try to find a better one. To not do so is idol worship. Regards DL
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