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Mirage
Respect
Sun Aug 26, 2012 00:26
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Thanks for this. I don't think I have ever saluted a person because for me it wouldn't be appropriate. I have no military background. However, practicing respect I think must surely be appropriate for Christians. Empty gestures probably not. When the pledge of allegiance is said, I put my hand over my heart and I mean it. I know this custom bothers a lot of people. Some Canadian friends of mine think it's weird, so I guess they don't do that there. There have been times I have mutually bowed with people (My mother was a board member of a Japanese-American friendship society. I have noticed that our current President also mutually bows very naturally, perhaps because some of his childhood was spent in a culture which bows.). As a small child I also curtseyed a few times because my mother was from a part of the country that still did that in some circumstances, believe it or not. She was big on etiquette, so much so that she made me learn how to address letters to politicians, world leaders, etc. correctly. Webster's Unabridged used to have a whole page on that. I'm not sure if it still does.

I would have interpreted that passage to mean avoiding revealing any secular rank they might have. I was guessing that who you salute (or formally greet?) and who you don't salute would make your position in secular society very clear very quickly. Shoes or the condition of bare feet have always been a means of quickly classifying a person's status as well. My husband apparently uses this method, having been taught it by an Italian girlfriend when he was younger. However, the Dake Bible scholars surely researched this passage, and I have not.

Hope you are well.


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    • Wolfie my man — sai ram, Wed Aug 29 13:32
      right on.....how many times have we all felt as lambs among the wolves?....and it seems we have no shortage of wolves out there either....sai ram
    • Respect — Mirage, Sun Aug 26 00:26
      • Hope you are well also ;-) (nm) — Baruch, Sun Aug 26 00:33
        • Trying — Mirage, Sun Aug 26 00:51
          It's difficult for me to write these days. Still praying a lot, though. :)
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            • Oh wow. — Mirage, Mon Aug 27 00:22
              I am curious, if he is secular, why does he wish to pray?
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                  • Re: PS - on a more personal front ... — Mirage, Mon Aug 27 09:13
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                    • I have said did I not ... — Baruch, Mon Aug 27 18:01
                      that I stuttered all thru school until I was a Sophomore in HS? Took public speaking class in 9th grade, it helped a lot. If your sister is interested, I can share the URLs I have found for Mayan. I... more
                      • Re: I have said did I not ... — Mirage, Mon Aug 27 18:32
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                        • Stammer vs stutter, different? — Baruch, Mon Aug 27 21:56
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                          • Re: Stammer vs stutter, different? — Mirage, Tue Aug 28 09:26
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                              • While — sai ram, Wed Aug 29 13:37
                                While I never had a stutter...I did have a hard time pronouncing certain words....and actually had to have a special teacher...I still can butcher up some words pretty good today.....I think the... more
                                • Re: While — Mirage, Thu Aug 30 02:57
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                                  • yes they did — sai ram, Thu Aug 30 17:17
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                    • Good app for practicing. — Mirage, Mon Aug 27 15:59
                      I adore this thing. http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/sayhi-translate-use-your-voice/id437818260?mt=8 There may be an android version, but I don't know. I think I remember you are a Mac person. No Mayan ... more
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      • Re: “Strangers are just friends waiting to happen.” — Mirage, Sun Aug 26 00:49
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    • Thanks for sharing ;-) — Baruch, Fri Aug 24 20:07
      Automatic fear of strangers, leading to violence, was the barbaric habit of the ancients, and still lives in us today. Shalom
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