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Paradigm10
That is a strange story...
Fri Aug 31, 2012 22:02
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two white gay guys going to a black Gospel service with everybody shouting out their sins. Was it something like this? There's a lot of suits here and a lot of clapping and shouting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ClMhdJ-Pf4&feature=relmfu

A Catholic Charismatic Mass looks something like this when there are a lot of black Catholics attending. When my oldest son was active in the youth group they attending a Charismatic Conference and encountered very charismatic black worshipers at Mass. Those white kids were totally freaked out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEAjk-OqNX0

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Science explains the existence of God. — ipirate2, Mon Aug 13 14:01

Science explains the existence of God. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNSe4Ff57n4&feature=player_embedded http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haBLjVqrrjM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDbesQQi9yc Without ... more
Ah yes, it is psychological (but denigrated) ... — Baruch, Thu Aug 16 21:17

but there is a false dichotomy here, of the sane vs the insane. See ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madness_and_Civilization by Michele Foucault. Sanity is simply a category allowing the... more
And at what level of madness.... — Kasey, Mon Aug 27 02:12

does one have to attain to acquire a belief in the supernatural? That level of a Hitler type in sadism or that of the murderous perpetrator in Clint Eastward's movie "Changeling"? Or similarly, for a ... more
Why, oh why... — Paradigm10, Tue Aug 28 18:58

is it just hunky-dory that evolution in action should produce some nasty little worm but if God has created this worm, WELL!!! that's just terrible! What God would do such a terrible thing? No God... more
Though a mere human ... — Baruch, Tue Aug 28 20:15

I find a lot of nature to be terrible. The human world is a different kind of terrible, because I mistakenly assume people do bad things because they know what they are going, and mean to be mean.... more
"What are ya tryin' to do, make me sick?!" — Paradigm10, Thu Aug 30 16:19

Our Lord did say, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do." So if God forgives us for being mean and we forgive God for being mean and all that's left to do is to wade through all the... more
I got to see Gilda Radner live one time ;-) — Baruch, Thu Aug 30 16:53

I don't worry too much for myself, but I do worry about my daughter. And I work every day to provide for her future. That and have a little fun myself along the way. Shalom
As you often do, I think you are unconscious ... — Baruch, Mon Aug 27 22:16

that your choice of words is insulting. At what level of Southern Hemisphere, do people stand on their heads? Belief in the supernatural, as actually experienced in traditional societies, is the... more
Maybe your senseitivies are a little too... — Kasey, Tue Aug 28 05:45

touchy, tho' I could have used "providence" instead of sadism for the Hitler type of madness for greater effect. Forms of madness may be in the eye of the beholder,but normality or eccentricity are... more
See, you can be reasonable with your words ... — Baruch, Tue Aug 28 06:46

and not write like a raving lunatic ;-) Objecting to bigoted use of language is sensitive? I certainly hope so. We won't agree that institutional religion is the one great bugbear, but I will agree... more
Surely you wouldn't object to... — Kasey, Wed Aug 29 08:00

the worm comments by David Attenborough tho'? His realization is what many cannot even get to consider. Regards, Kasey [ps and surely also, a mis-used word doesn't make one a raving looney?]
worm — Mirage, Wed Aug 29 10:13

I'm not offended by the worm comment because I don't believe that mankind is the center of the universe. If God does not exist, then surely we aren't. If God does exist, I still think there's good... more
Nice to see you are still here. — Mirage, Mon Aug 27 09:17

I'm probably not back for long, but hope things are going well for you.
Re: Ah yes, it is psychological (but denigrated) ... — ipirate2, Fri Aug 17 12:35

I could learn to hate you if I did not like you. No argument and nothing to add my friend. One comment though. I did not think that the Jewish people idolized the Torah and Talmud. I thought they... more
Rabbinic Judaism is sectarian ... — Baruch, Fri Aug 17 19:17

like Christians who will only read the Catechism, but not the Bible or other Christian writings. Catholicism, rabbinic Judaism, and Sunni Islam are Medieval institutions, with similar sociology.... more
Re: Rabbinic Judaism is sectarian ... — ipirate2, Sat Aug 18 08:35

Yes. Everyone is afraid of making statements that are not quoted somewhere. So much for writing God's laws in our hearts. So many lazy thinkers. I have this little saying I coined and use that is... more
Example of egotism in action ... — Baruch, Sat Aug 18 12:58

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6S5DMtc1nts&feature=relmfu Freudian psychotherapy as an example of on-up-man-ship. Freud borrowed his technique from Jewish exorcists, IMHO. Shalom
Quite good. — ipirate2, Sun Aug 19 12:08

I see a similarity between a psychoanalyst and the clergy. Both use flim-flam to gain $$$$$$$$ and neither work for good of the patient or believer. Regards DL
I think you need your head examined ;-) (nm) — Baruch, Sun Aug 19 17:20

Re: I think you need your head examined ;-) — ipirate2, Sun Aug 19 18:42

I tried to work on a project with the head of psychiatry in my old home town at one time. He would not believe much of what I said without my backing it up from various government reports that I had... more
Few pastors and no priests have psych training ... — Baruch, Sun Aug 19 19:58

there was a movement in the last generation for Christian Counseling among Protestants in the US, but I am pretty sure it never got very big. A Catholic priest has a lot of education, but usually it... more
No priests have psych training? — Paradigm10, Wed Aug 22 00:14

You, and that douchebag who agrees with you, are mistaken. Father Benedict Groeschel has a doctorate in psychology from Columbia University. I've read his books and enjoy his wry sense of humor.... more
My fault ... — Baruch, Wed Aug 22 12:36

overly broad statement on my part. Thanks for your corrections as well. On the other hand, most clergy in most places, aren't psychologists or psychotherapists. Specifically a modern Catholic priest... more
Re: My fault ... — Mirage, Sun Aug 26 15:27

I'm pretty sure that military chaplains in the US receive some formal training in this area. That would include both Catholics and Protestants, as well as the occasional atheist chaplain. The... more
Training on how to refer to medical staff? — Baruch, Sun Aug 26 21:40

Of course. We have our own medical staff for both body and mind. But they aren't MDs, they are MDivs. Trying to pretend one has special professional knowledge, particularly in something as regulated... more
Re: Training on how to refer to medical staff? — Mirage, Mon Aug 27 09:58

Having basic training in psych does not require an MD and in fact psychologists have a lot more training in psychology than psychiatrists, who are MDs and have a much greater focus on medicine. It is ... more
I'm obnoxious, you're charmingly disarming. — Paradigm10, Sat Aug 25 21:27

What I find truly obnoxious is the notion that mental healthcare professionals and the clergy don't really care about helping people in need. Priests are trained to refer individuals to social... more
Hoping you will know the answer to this. — Mirage, Sun Aug 26 01:26

In some states, caregivers, mental health professionals and others who may receive confessions of violent crimes are required to report to police. My understanding is that traditionally Roman... more
I'd have to ask a priest, but my guess is that... — Paradigm10, Sun Aug 26 13:32

the Church does not make exceptions. The laws are inconsistant in that they vary from state to state and many of them are somewhat ambiguous when it comes to clergy-penitent privilege. A priest, like ... more
In Oklahoma all care giver ... — Baruch, Sun Aug 26 21:13

whether nurses or ministers, are required to report cases of abuse. This happened with my ex ... with a child who reported parental abuse. I don't think the law would or should make any exception,... more
In Oklahoma Every person having reason to believe... — Paradigm10, Tue Aug 28 18:34

that a child under age 18 is a victim of abuse or neglect shall report the matter promptly to the Department of Human Services. No privilege or contract shall relieve any person from the requirement... more
My wife — sai ram, Wed Aug 29 15:17

my wife being a school nurse (now retired) had to report some cases of child abuse.....but she also knew that not every child who said they were abused...were. One of the last examples was a 7th... more
Even false accusations have to be investigated... — Paradigm10, Thu Aug 30 16:36

it sounds a though both of those students needed to be referred for counseling.
Thanks for a professional view ... — Baruch, Tue Aug 28 20:21

I didn't realize that "full disclosure" as limited to so few states. Now while legally, I can't accept exceptions ... I am certainly sympathetic to situations of ethical conflict like canon law or... more
Re: I'd have to ask a priest, but my guess is that... — Mirage, Sun Aug 26 14:46

Thank you so much for the detailed response. I thought there probably were not exceptions (and probably shouldn't be), but I am not a religious scholar and I was not sure whether rendering unto... more
In America we uniquely separate politics from religion ... — Baruch, Sun Aug 26 21:27

so it is easy to not blame a person for their religion. In fact we are so individualist, we tend also not to blame people for their politics. When Watergate happened, I only blamed President Nixon,... more
another hmm — Mirage, Mon Aug 27 09:46

Your view of the rightwing agenda reminds me awfully much of the fears some people on the right have concerning a secret gay agenda. I guess I personally don't believe that secret agendas are usually ... more
A purely beneficent organization ... — Baruch, Mon Aug 27 18:16

nto that such exists ... would recognize that different people had different needs, and a given person has different needs at different times of their life. From that POV one would never be anxious... more
I'm unqualified to answer this. — Mirage, Mon Aug 27 18:52

We do have a dyed in the wool Roman Catholic here, and I am sort of hoping Paradigm10 will respond to that. All I can tell you is that I haven't known any Episcopalians to view America that way, but... more
Are you referring to me as a dyed in the wool Roman Catholic — Paradigm10, Tue Aug 28 18:47

??? If you are, I don't know whether to take that as an insult or a compliment. :) What did you want me to respond to exactly? American nuns being in hot water with the Vatican? The pesky American... more
Compliment — Mirage, Tue Aug 28 22:51

I wasn't sure how I could possibly answer whether or not real Catholics know America is against everything the Church stands for. Dyed in the wool is a term most people no longer really understand... more
I'm familiar with the basics of wool processing... — Paradigm10, Thu Aug 30 15:31

I wasn't sure whether being Catholic through and through would be considered a positive or negative attribute. I think it's interesting that you should refer to me as a "real Catholic", but if we're... more
Re: I'm familiar with the basics of wool processing... — Mirage, Thu Aug 30 17:15

Oh, I felt Baruch was suggesting that "real" meaning serious Catholics would understand that America is against everything the Church stands for. Oddly enough, I have once been to a Latin mass once... more
Oddly enough... — Paradigm10, Fri Aug 31 10:08

real serious Catholics in America tend to agree with the separation of Church and State when it's their ox being gored. The HHS mandate is being called anti-American as well as anti-Catholic.... more
Re: Oddly enough... — Mirage, Fri Aug 31 20:59

I agree with separation of church and state also. Church and state don't mix well. There is nothing to prevent a person from voting based on his or her own personal morals and ethics, but when the... more
African-Americans ... — Baruch, Fri Aug 31 22:21

are quite different from White-Americans ... today they are more formal ... White folk having gone almost entirely casual. "Call and Response" comes to us from the African village experience. It is... more
That is a strange story... — Paradigm10, Fri Aug 31 22:02
Charismatic worship is the "quickening" of the Holy Spirit (nm) — Baruch, Fri Aug 31 22:23

On a practical level ... — Baruch, Fri Aug 31 18:13

real separation between Church and State is hard to maintain. Both Church and State are constantly evolving, and constantly tempted to interfere in each other's business. I do think that the health... more
You can't be an imposter ... — Baruch, Thu Aug 30 19:11

you are the only "you" you will ever be. Well in the teleological future "Omega Point" that all Catholics are developing towards (de Chardin), that future perfect "real" Catholic will of course not... more
That's the problem ... — Baruch, Thu Aug 30 16:56

"I'm practically Protestant" ... makes Catholic conservatives very unhappy. It also makes dyed in the wool Protestants worried about your indirect influence. Shalom
Stop reading those Chick comics! — Mirage, Fri Aug 31 21:10

You know, the ones that depicted Pope John Paul II as the Antichrist. Awful things, knew a boy in high school who read those and sent me home with a big stack of them. I was going to read them to... more
Well that is nasty ... — Baruch, Fri Aug 31 22:29

but I really have never been exposed to them. The history of the Protestant Reformation and Catholic Counter-Reformation (both caused by mixing politics and religion) were proof enough for me ;-( I... more
Loath, yes, alas some do. Fear? Not so much. — Mirage, Fri Aug 31 23:30

Once in awhile we have even had the rare anti-Catholic protestant poster wander in here, but they tend to be those drive by posters. Protestants in America are the majority, so I think only those... more
For sectarians, you aren't X ... — Baruch, Sat Sep 1 07:07

unless you belong to the sect of X. People have referred to the Chick comics in comments here, otherwise I wouldn't know they exist. For me the Catholics are as big as the Sunnis, and better... more
I do influence my Protestant husband... — Paradigm10, Fri Aug 31 09:36

who comes to the Mass with me. Take that!!, all you dyed in the wool Protestants! Bwa ha ha ha! Who's wooly now?
Who's wooly now? Wooly mammoths! (nm) — Baruch, Fri Aug 31 18:14

Wooly Bully! — Paradigm10, Fri Aug 31 22:05

These guys look suspiciously Arab. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHF558u6Q_8
The turban is Persian/Indian ... — Baruch, Fri Aug 31 22:31

the other guys are dressed as polyester Arabs ;-) Shalom
Spong is close to being a Jewish-Christian ... — Baruch, Wed Aug 29 06:53

so actually I can understand a Muslim-Christian ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_Islam Muslims accept that Jesus was a man and a virgin birth and did miracles as signs of Allah. They just... more
Re: Spong is close to being a Jewish-Christian ... — Mirage, Wed Aug 29 09:38

Muslims also reject the following christian beliefs about Jesus: They reject that Jesus was the Christ or Messiah, as do most Jews with the exception of some Messianic Jews, who are not considered... more
Vey accurate research ... — Baruch, Wed Aug 29 18:15

I can't see anything inaccurate in what you posted. Of course there is a big difference between "messiah", "son of man" and "son of G-d" ... though in Orthodox Christianity including Latin Orthodox... more
Educated Americans and Belief — Mirage, Thu Aug 30 05:28

Interestingly enough, and contrary to what one might assume, it appears that the more educated a person is in America, the more likely he or she is to believe in ghosts and some other paranormal... more
Sociology is like medical studies ... — Baruch, Thu Aug 30 06:17

at first wine is bad for you, then wine is good for you, then only certain kinds of wine are good for you ... whine, whine, whine. Any research of humans is worse than researching quarks, which... more
Re: Sociology is like medical studies ... — Mirage, Thu Aug 30 10:14

I noticed that spiritual belief per se was not included in the article. Since I can't find the research itself, I don't know whether students were asked if they believed in any sort of divinity or... more
That was intuitive ... — Baruch, Thu Aug 30 16:57

"I seem to prefer addition to subtraction in most areas of life for some reason." ... couldn't agree more. Shalom
correction — Mirage, Wed Aug 29 10:47

As per the wiki, they do apparently consider Jesus to be the Jewish Messiah but not the universal Messiah that much of Christianity believes in. My bad for misunderstanding what a couple of the... more
Well if an Episcopalian was an Anglican in disguise ... — Baruch, Mon Aug 27 22:05

then they would have an interesting take on Christianity in America ... they would be an Englishman trapped in the body of an American. Is there an operation to correct that? Well Paradigm10 isn't a... more
Re: Well if an Episcopalian was an Anglican in disguise ... — Mirage, Tue Aug 28 09:01

There is of course an active Anglican church in America. During recent upheavals, some Episcopalians joined them, and some became Roman Catholic. It is not all that uncommon for an Episcopalian to... more
Thanks for adding more perspective ... — Baruch, Tue Aug 28 20:25

I suspect the Europeans regard Americans as savages whether religious or not ... they have quite a bit of prejudice towards America, to work thru. Especially the Germans and English. The English are... more
Re: Thanks for adding more perspective ... — Mirage, Thu Aug 30 18:14

Around the time that french fries were being renamed freedom fries, the Spanish sent troops. For the Polish to do so wasn't really surprising, but I think the Spanish did surprise some people.
Didn't surprise me ... — Baruch, Thu Aug 30 19:13

Spanish being anti-Islamic ... hear of the Reconquista? Shalom
Don't like people bearing arms ;-) — Baruch, Sat Aug 25 21:40

My mother moves about two miles from the apartment to her new (old) house next weekend. I may be sane again, two weekends from now ;-( Shalom
I'm bearing my arms in this tank top I'm wearing... — Paradigm10, Sun Aug 26 14:00

I should be outside in my garden right now. I had to do a google map search and one thing led to another so here I am again. Speaking of insanity, my oldest son is going skydiving today. He's always... more
Irresistible force meets immovable object ... — Baruch, Sun Aug 26 21:38

she is the force, I am the object. She will hire major things done. She isn't handy any more at her age. I will do the small things I already do, like visit, watch Wheel of Fortune, and play cards. I ... more
Re: Few pastors and no priests have psych training ... — ipirate2, Mon Aug 20 11:32

On this I agree. Regards DL
Dr Tex Rawshock is the only one who... — Kasey, Mon Aug 20 03:20

may be worth his salt. At least he told the Ringo Kid, who had an itchy trigger finger, to go see a dermatologist! Regards, Kasey
I have to agree ... — Baruch, Sat Aug 18 12:48

"Chastisement without correction is just cruelty". In fact that is what Proverbs is saying ... but sadists of course, who don't have G-d in their heart, can't properly correct, nor would they if they ... more
Re: I have to agree ... — ipirate2, Sat Aug 18 16:41

I am pleased that you let more than your usual amount of wisdom shine through here. Respect grows. "It is a weak soul that thinks it is magnified by putting everyone else below him/her." Touché. I... more
Different calibers or not ... — Baruch, Sat Aug 18 16:56

we are both bullets or cannon balls ;-) Don't think that we agree or not. If you say something from your experience, and it matches something from my experience, then we understand one another.... more
Re: Different calibers or not ... — ipirate2, Sun Aug 19 13:21

I do not agree with your last thanks to Plato. He postulated that all children should study gymnastics together naked. He and I separate love and sexual desire. A short while ago I sat with three... more
Maybe you don't care for the size of her diamonds ... — Baruch, Sun Aug 19 17:28

but she does care about the size of your diamonds ;-) Ancient Greeks (men only in this case) did do exercise in the gymnasium in the nude. Assimilated circumcised Jews, who wanted to be cool,... more
Re: Maybe you don't care for the size of her diamonds ... — ipirate2, Sun Aug 19 18:48

They did not agree initially. I had to show them the logic trail. In theory it is convincing. I do not know if it would work in practice. Sparta was the closest. If memory serves, the women in their... more
Yogi Berra says ... — Baruch, Sun Aug 19 20:01

in theory, theory and practice are the same, but in practice they are not. He was a true yogi ;-) Shalom
Remember, M or F you are a person of your society! (nm) — Kasey, Sun Aug 19 06:33

While there are similarities of experience ... — Baruch, Sun Aug 19 09:20

between M and F, there are dissimilarities as well, that go beyond individual differences ... this is why M/F communication is a partly insoluble problem. Part of the commonality, for M or F in the... more
If the god of the monotheists...... — Kasey, Thu Aug 16 09:07

is the same one as the man the subject of this video claims to follow, then there is little hope for humanity if they ever become a dominant force. REgards, Kasey... more
Your video is two years old ... — Baruch, Thu Aug 16 21:00

but it is interesting how both parties are wrong. President Obama doesn't claim to represent G-d, and his government is sinful as well, so he has integrity. OBL claimed to represent G-d, a completely ... more
Re: If the god of the monotheists...... — ipirate2, Thu Aug 16 11:17

Divine law created by women hatting men. What a pathetic mindset. Regards DL
Addition to fist O P. — ipirate2, Thu Aug 16 13:06

I found this on some of the latest science being done on the God issue and found it quite interesting in terms of how we process information and what happens to our minds when we pray. It, like... more
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