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Baruch
I don't agree ...
Wed Sep 5, 2012 12:39
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I don't exonerate the German people ... they knew about the camps. The Nazis were effective politicking because they knew what the German people felt but were unable or ashamed to articulate ... just as the Right does in the US even now.

Shalom

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Media reports from Iran indicate that... — Kasey, Thu Aug 30 01:27

discrimination against enrollment of women at their many universities as well as women in general has increased exponentially due to the changed nature of Iranian fertility rates [6>2] and the ever... more
Remote Viewing — sai ram, Thu Aug 30 08:33

if the Remote viewers are correct.....after the Feb. 2013 calamity.....womens rights will be the last thing anyone will be worried about....I have done remote viewing and I give this alot of... more
The potential magnetic field diminution ... — Baruch, Thu Aug 30 16:50

as part of a magnetic reversal, of the poles of the Earth ... which has happened many times before ... could cause widespread damage to plants and livestock. We know that global warming (of whatever... more
Re: Remote Viewing — Mirage, Thu Aug 30 10:56

If there are multiple timelines, perhaps you should try viewing a positive one. You never know, maybe we have a vote. I'm serious.
perhaps — sai ram, Thu Aug 30 17:09

problem with multiple time lines is...I haven't figured out the one I'm in now.....hate to take on another one........sai ram
Related thought experiment — Mirage, Thu Aug 30 17:42

Do not try this at home. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_suicide_and_immortality
Schroedinger Cat cruelty ... — Baruch, Thu Aug 30 19:03

applied to humans ... it's more humane than abusing the poor cat ... let the experimenter abuse himself! One problem with quantum theory ... it isn't truth, it is a model of truth, and is only as... more
Re: perhaps — Mirage, Thu Aug 30 17:31

A lot of people who believe in Many Worlds feel it is your own actions which propel you into a certain timeline. Others believe there is a sort of multi-dimensional you which experiences all the time ... more
Sounds like an episode of the TV show, "Lost". (nm) — Paradigm10, Fri Aug 31 10:24

Never watched it. — Mirage, Fri Aug 31 21:45

I haven't seen TV since my husband went overseas, and only watched it at all because he liked TV. Once I discovered the internet, I mostly lost interest in television. He'd watch anything.... more
What guy would want to watch Sex and the City? — Paradigm10, Fri Aug 31 22:44

I'm just saying. ;)
It's the sex part. — Mirage, Fri Aug 31 23:42

The show was mostly written by men. It shows. I think maybe he thought the girls were hot. Their promiscuity and desperation for sex is certainly a popular male fantasy. Maybe I should write "I... more
" I Married a Metrosexual from Outer Space." — Paradigm10, Sat Sep 1 00:41

I would watch that if you put it on YouTube. I've heard of these metrosexuals but I've never actually encountered one. I was thinking more of guys who think like this ~~... more
That made me laugh. — Mirage, Sat Sep 1 12:37

A lot of those complaints were what I was thinking except for the harsh ageism.
That was funny play by play commentary ... — Baruch, Sat Sep 1 06:49

is it because women find men funny (even when we are looking at other women)? Well I could say that women watch that, because they like to cheer or jeer the costumes/clothes. A metrosexual guy would... more
Fantasy like "Lost" or scifi like "Star Trek" ... — Baruch, Fri Aug 31 22:13

allow us to explore alternate realities not to different from our own. My ex liked TV more than I, I like Internet much better once I discovered it, but it isn't a family activity and TV is. Men... more
Re: Fantasy like "Lost" or scifi like "Star Trek" ... — Mirage, Fri Aug 31 22:34

I'm very picky about comedy. I suppose I like best the comedy that has some drama or heart underneath. Or maybe drama with comic relief. I do like silly stuff, if it's witty and/or self-deprecating.... more
You got it! (nm) — Baruch, Fri Aug 31 12:48

You aren't necessarily the same person ... — Baruch, Thu Aug 30 19:06

in each timeline, though egomaniac Americans might think so! What if each Many Worlds version of you corresponds to each of the sentient life forms in One World? Of course the many versions of you do ... more
This is a perfect example of the kind of crazy talk... — Paradigm10, Fri Aug 31 10:28

that keeps me coming back here to read what you have to say. Of course most of what you say makes no sense to me but that's beside the point. I'm on vacation for a whole week, Yay me!!!
I'm moving my mother this weekend, Yay me!!! — Baruch, Fri Aug 31 12:47

Well enjoy your vacation then ;-) Going to spend time with the children, or away from the children? Can't see how vacation would be vacation, unless you leave the kids stuck in school. Well what is... more
I'm not sure how to pronounce Teilhard de Chardin... — Paradigm10, Fri Aug 31 22:38

but I'm sure it sounds very romantic just because it's French. So the Vatican told him to shut-up and stick to digging rocks and now the Pope praises him. I wouldn't be surprised if he were a saint... more
Pronounced ... — Baruch, Sat Sep 1 06:59

Tail-Hah-Duh-Shar-Dih (final N is nasal). I find manifest destiny/teleology to be totalitarian ... at least Native Americans could agree. Americans arrived at the "end of history" (Fukuyama's book)... more
Yes, where are the Iranian men? ... — Baruch, Thu Aug 30 06:11

they can't think that the present theocracy is a good idea for them either. In Iran the revolution came from the rural areas .. so this is also an anti-urban movement. Shalom
Re: Media reports from Iran indicate that... — Mirage, Thu Aug 30 02:53

I don't think there will be a revolution for women's rights there. Women have sometimes gained in rights as the result of revolution but thinking over it, it's often temporary, and the revolutions I... more
Women are dangerous in revolutions ... — Baruch, Thu Aug 30 06:09

a woman assassinated Murat during the French revolution, and a woman nearly assassinated Lenin during the Russian revolution. Women's rights were quickly reversed in France during the reaction of... more
Meanwhile in The Netherlands,.... — Kasey, Sat Sep 1 07:34

during an interview between a convert to Islam and two young Muslim girls concerning her conversion, they asked...."Before when you were Dutch did you ever.....etc etc.? The above relates to comments ... more
Re: Meanwhile in The Netherlands,.... — Iftikhar, Sun Sep 2 03:50

In 1993 two Eton schoolboys , Matthew Wilkinson and Nicholas Brandt ( Tariq and Saleh) converted to Islam . They set themselves a mission to convert their fellow pupils at Eton to bring Islam to... more
tHAT WAS ALL BEFORE 9/11 AND ITS CONSEQUENCES.... — Kasey, Mon Sep 3 00:42

GO LOOK AT PAT CONDELL'S YOUTUBE VIDEO "TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT ISLAM" Then come back and state what you can disprove about the items he quotes. We'll all be waiting but won't hold our breathe. You seem ... more
An exercise for all of us. — Mirage, Mon Sep 3 12:50

I noticed in the Wikipedia a mention that Gallop did a survey in 35 countries, even traveling on foot to some regions. What percentage of Muslims said the 9/11 attacks were "perfectly justified?"... more
Do you do this to everyMuslim you meet? — Mirage, Mon Sep 3 11:07

Alright then, do you agree with everything Pat Condell says here? http://realitybong.wordpress.com/2009/11/28/pat-condell-aggressive-atheism/ Is this how you feel about my Christian beliefs? "What... more
It has nothing to do with.... — Kasey, Tue Sep 4 04:10

ordinary Muslims, you need to understand that. Similarly, similarly for in the past, ordinary Germans and Nazi ideology. If you check out P.C. and Dr Bill Warner, you will see that. It's the... more
I don't agree ... — Baruch, Wed Sep 5 12:39
But you know very well that.... — Kasey, Thu Sep 6 05:36

any German who spoke out openly against Nazi policies soon ended up in a concentration camp unless he/she migrated. It's like that in Russia even today for activists. As for in Islamic... more
The answer is that death is preferable ... — Baruch, Thu Sep 6 06:51

if I choose life, then I can commit as much violence as I like, because life is violent. Now I am not a pacifist, and I was perhaps a German soldier in WW II myself ... I am comparing reality against ... more
Some of that logic is just a co-out,... — Kasey, Sat Sep 8 07:09

Yankee soldiers in the Iraq war, like German ones in WW2, did their duty as expected by their nation and government of the time. Both wars were started on a false premise on the basis of revenge and... more
Each must make their own choice ... — Baruch, Sat Sep 8 08:43

would you be a slave girl in the R&R hut of the Japanese Army .. had things turned out differently? But my point was different ... what would I do to protect someone else. Maybe I would kill, maybe I ... more
PS_ "cop-out" (nm) — Kasey, Sat Sep 8 07:12

Pat Condell is quoting Voltaire ... — Baruch, Mon Sep 3 12:41

who invented modern anti-semitism, and who know that the G-d of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses ... Jesus ... and Muhammad ... didn't approve of his self indulgent life-style. Maybe Pat Condell... more
Re: Pat Condell is quoting Voltaire ... — Mirage, Mon Sep 3 12:58

The rending and devouring performed by Bacchantes was called sparagmos. My university boyfriend/later fiance was fascinated by it and used the word whenever possible. We met in a Greek mythology... more
None of that or that of Baruch ever seems.... — Kasey, Tue Sep 4 08:27

to address what the theme of what I have written. Having just listened to a prg. on ABC radio here called "The Spirit of Things", when Islam was discussed, verses from the Koran were trotted out such ... more
Western Civilization was already destroyed .. — Baruch, Tue Sep 4 21:26

by the Enlightenment. I am well aware that scriptures are inconsistent, and that promoters of a religion read their scriptures selectively, and teach it selectively. I don't have any problem with... more
But a most vital factor in ignorace that needs correction! (nm) — Kasey, Wed Sep 5 02:22

Amazing 6 degrees of separation ... of sparagmos (nm) — Baruch, Mon Sep 3 15:38

Bad behavior isn't limited to the West ... — Baruch, Sun Sep 2 07:11

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-19454739 Religion doesn't extinguish evil, it helps people do evil more religiously. And I am saying that as a religious person. But I am free of... more
Welcome back ... — Baruch, Sun Sep 2 06:26

BTW - Well played. If anyone converted to Islam, and didn't quit drinking alcohol etc, they would be a kafir. Though i do hope Prince Charles is flying straight and narrow now. Brits do have such a... more
Don't mix Holland with Pakistan ... — Baruch, Sat Sep 1 10:57

yes, it is possible, if they choose to, to have a modern Islam in Holland ... but that is something they will have to choose, it won't happen automatically. And the less than benign influence of the... more
Islamic terrorism still bases its actions..... — Kasey, Sat Sep 1 22:30

on most of the abrogating Medina verses of the Koran which engender lethal attitudes and actions in its believers against all Infidels of whatever category. Until moderant[normal?] Islam takes a... more
Re: Islamic terrorism still bases its actions..... — Mirage, Sun Sep 2 21:04

Try this link: http://www.m-a-t.org/ Also search on "Muslims against terrorism" and you will find a whole lot more. Many American and Canadian Muslim clergy signed a document proclaiming their stance ... more
Have you looked up Dr Bill Warner on.... — Kasey, Mon Sep 3 06:26

Political Islam? And also check out the doctrine of taqqiyya [oft. spelt differently] It may surprise you. Regards, Kasey
Re: Have you looked up Dr Bill Warner on.... — Mirage, Mon Sep 3 09:51

Kasey, I think you are misunderstanding taqqiyya. Muslims are not the only people who have practiced hiding their religious beliefs or affiliations rather than die or risk torture. Native Americans... more
You still seem to mis the point of all this... — Kasey, Tue Sep 4 08:40

when/if you ever get to discuss all of this with a Sharia lawyer [as I have] you would certainly have a greater understanding of the implications of what those three books have in store for all... more
I don't care for Sharia myself ... — Baruch, Tue Sep 4 21:30

but then I don't like Catholic canon law, Mormon law, or rabbinic law either. I prefer my law to be secular too. Shalom
So do I, but if there is a change.... — Kasey, Wed Sep 5 02:16

of democratic secular government by Islamists in general at a later time, you can be it will be a theocracy with sharia law being enforced. We're fighting to prevent that in Afganistan at present but ... more
The Europeans made their bed ... — Baruch, Wed Sep 5 06:41

and will have to now lay in it. The FED can bail them with trillions of Beni bucks ... but no amount of Monopoly funny money will save them. When Europe is as poor as Africa, the Africans will stop... more
Kasey would be the Emma Goldman of Australia ... — Baruch, Mon Sep 3 10:42

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_Goldman One can get interesting immigrants like her. She was Jewish and came to the US initially. But her example proves that all Jews are atheist, feminist,... more
Wow (nm) — Mirage, Mon Sep 3 11:14

You know I am being rhetorical, right? — Baruch, Mon Sep 3 12:43

You seem to have missed that lately ;-) I think Emma was a kick ass Jewish woman ... even if I am more conservative than her. Shalom
Yeah, explaining the wow. — Mirage, Mon Sep 3 12:52

She was ahead of her time in so many ways, but the assassination attempt really shocked me. That caused the wow. I had never heard of her.
If the FED has counterfeited $16 trillion ... — Baruch, Sat Sep 1 23:27

so far (half going to European banks with bad loans to the US) and the ESM has counterfeited € 10 trillion so far (because of bad loans to S and E Europe) ... is that not fraud? Just because the... more
Your last comments about Australia...... — Kasey, Sun Sep 2 06:57

cover exactly what the Indonesians are doing to the leadership and peoples of West Papua [Irianjia], and our government and that of the USA still appease them by recognizing the current border... more
The Taliban are the Pashtun ... — Baruch, Sun Sep 2 07:06

the Pashtun straddle the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan. The Taliban therefore should have a say in Afghanistan, if not their own country cut from Afghanistan and Pakistan. Saudi oil ...... more
They are all the same personality type ... — Baruch, Sat Sep 1 23:32

from Ramses, to Sargon, to Alexander, to Caligula, to Shih Huang Di, to Ajatashastru, to Umar, to Genghis Khan etal. Caligula said ... because he was really misanthropic ... "I wish all of humanity... more
I think more than few verses abrogate each other ... — Baruch, Sat Sep 1 23:11

particularly since Sunnis include the Hadith along with the Quran in their canon. This is common with scriptures of all type, including Jewish and Christian ones. Since we have had political Islam... more
Baruch!! — Paradigm10, Mon Sep 3 00:21

I feel like I need to slap you. BTW Alan Watts puts me to sleep. You need somebody to touch, (you could call that predating). Instead of dropping bombs maybe we should try dropping liquor and... more
Someone to touch? — Baruch, Mon Sep 3 07:18

I do, my girl cat Punkin. When she wants attention, or when she appreciates a petting ... her body language says "I'm to sexy for my fur". Gender is funny, when it crops up in a different species.... more
Cats are marvelous stress reducers. — Paradigm10, Wed Sep 5 11:12

It turns out that our cat, Sylvia, is actually a Sylvester. It followed our youngest daughter into the house about a year ago. We didn't realize at the time that it was a neutered male. It isn't the... more
My oldest male cat is rather gay too ... — Baruch, Wed Sep 5 22:11

and my mother adopted a newborn kitten that has managed to survive, and has reduced her stress a lot. That one can replace her old cat if he passes on, which seems likely. Cat personalities are very... more
Pretty obscure lyrics ... — Baruch, Mon Sep 3 06:57

"she is sublimation she is the essence of thee" Some people used to believe that a man's guardian angel is feminine. This can be confabulated with one's soul. So are you calling my soul a bitch? ;-)... more
Punk rock poetry... — Paradigm10, Wed Sep 5 11:01

"the plot of our life sweats in the dark like a face the mystery of childbirth, of childhood itself grave visitations what is it that calls to us? why must we pray screaming? why must not death be... more
Oh, I just thought they were suffering ... — Baruch, Wed Sep 5 22:16

from a kidney stone attack ;-) Reductionists ... that kind of description is why I learned to not listen to them. It is absurd. i would rather believe the Hindu view, that we are all Brahman, having... more
Blame the bacteria in your gut... — Paradigm10, Thu Sep 6 20:34

or if a cat is near by, blame the cat. Perhaps your dream was a subconscious acknowledgment that you are full of hot air. ;-) I dreamed of water and jumping into water. I must have missed the water... more
Maybe your life is connected to another? — Baruch, Fri Sep 7 17:59

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWnAqFyaQ5s Shalom
Humans... — Mirage, Sun Sep 2 20:35

are no more innately evil than they are innately good. Gandhi was not perfect, but I don't think your assessment of him is fair. He knew someone would kill him. MLK knew someone would kill him, too.... more
The Buddha is funny that way ... — Baruch, Sun Sep 2 22:23

he teaches to be in the world but not of it ... also a Christian teaching ;-) In that way one is to treat the good and the bad as equal on some level, to quell the passions of desire and avoidance.... more
When evil words are put into action.... — Kasey, Sun Sep 2 07:05

it matters little which group of humans perpetrate the evil.But if the source of the evil is extinguished, a positive change can be activated. That's why those abrogated verses need exclusion from... more
Mythical beliefs ... — Baruch, Sun Sep 2 07:09

Nazi ideology wasn't extinguished. Churchill supported Mussolini. The Nazis studied the US euthanasia program. The good guys didn't win in 1945, one set of bad guys defeated another set of bad guys.... more
Re: Mythical beliefs ... — Mirage, Sun Sep 2 20:53

There would still be apes and cetaceans. You'd have to destroy everything sentient or semi-sentient and even then, bad things would happen, and the fact that that salmonella isn't human or... more
True ... — Baruch, Sun Sep 2 22:10

but in the context of replying to Kasey, who believes that conventional beliefs are factual, and not just the propaganda of victors ... irrelevant. Well salmonella might be harmful to humans, but in... more
Re: True ... — Mirage, Mon Sep 3 00:30

Salmonella isn't capable of being evil, and I wouldn't even call it "bad" except in the context of "bad for humans" or other creatures it can afflict. It has no choices. We do.
Do we have a choice? — Baruch, Mon Sep 3 06:44

Depends on the level of action. Do humans have a nature, as I claim salmonella has? If so, then that nature, which may govern all or part of our action, negates all or part of our free will. I like... more
Re: Do we have a choice? — Mirage, Mon Sep 3 10:08

I do believe we have choice. For example, when a person begins drinking too much, he or she still has the choice to control that behavior and not end up like my grandmother. By the time someone is a... more
Regarding your laziness, as you age,.... — Kasey, Tue Sep 4 09:01

the less you do, will ultimately mean the less you can do and thus are able to do. If you undertook a very mild but progressive fitness regime over an extended period of time, I'm sure you could turn ... more
Re: Regarding your laziness, as you age,.... — Mirage, Tue Sep 4 11:20

Thank you, and you're right of course. Unfortunately I have several chronic medical conditions such as type 1(juvenile/child type) diabetes since before age 2 and and one of the complications is a... more
Sorry to hear all of those symptoms.... — Kasey, Wed Sep 5 02:32

but have you tried any acupuncture and thereputic massage you can handle for yourself. Some oils like Elmore oil etc, can aide in upward massage to aid circulation without stress. Hasten slowly with... more
Thank you — Mirage, Wed Sep 5 08:51

I had not heard of Elmore oil and will look into that. I'm not supposed to get acupuncture because of the chance of infection (juvenile diabetics are immune suppressed). Acupressure might be useful.... more
Moralizers in general turn me off ... — Baruch, Mon Sep 3 10:52

I consider them to be moral failures, having swallowed the hook of pride, they will be reeled in by Satan. Why do people only consider material success, to be success? Again, a failure of character.... more
Re: Moralizers in general turn me off ... — Mirage, Mon Sep 3 12:05

I'm really terrible with money and career. I've had some good opportunities, but in each case I didn't want to leave my loved ones to pursue them. Right now I am in rather dire straights financially... more
Sure, it is a small sacrifice for me ... — Baruch, Mon Sep 3 12:47

to support my mother, not that I do it well mind you. But if I don't do this, then in the words of Rabbi Hillel ... if not now, when? if not me, who? I am sure you aren't a failure either ... and... more
Not so wonderful — Mirage, Mon Sep 3 14:02

I have at some point in my life committed every single one of the 7 deadly sins and several of them I commit pretty much constantly. Envy would be the least common for me, and recently Acedia is the... more
At least you don't show pride very much ;-) (nm) — Baruch, Mon Sep 3 15:39

Oh believe me, I do. — Mirage, Mon Sep 3 16:05

I just don't happen to take pride in my pride. Doesn't stop from being prideful about things I did many years ago for primarily reasons of self interest. Is this post acedia? Oh dear.
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