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Mirage
Re: He still posts elsewhere ...
Thu Sep 20, 2012 21:25
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Nah, he considered me to be a prime target, and Frashavan too. Neither of us are the usual stereotype of fundie(a word I really avoid). Frashavan of course is not Christian either, but didn't like the tactics ipirate uses.

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Following the out of control Islamic riot... — Kasey, Sat Sep 15 22:26

in Sydney NSW on Saturday afternoon and evening against the NSW police force, trying to control an unaurthorized "peaceful" demonstration staged in Hyde Park [that went wild], against the revelations ... more
And now having just seen again the claimed... — Kasey, Sat Sep 22 20:04

work of art known as "Piss Christ", about to be put on display in a New York Art exhibition and the furore over President Obama's failure to condemn that work, being seen as gross hypocricy, I feel I ... more
This controversial "art work" ... — Baruch, Sun Sep 23 08:33

has been around since 1987. But as a photograph, it is cloned whenever necessary, unlike a sculpture. Don't know why they are taking it on tour to NYC again. In 2011 a similar display was destroyed... more
You missed the point in PBUH I think? (nm) — Kasey, Sun Sep 23 23:26

Peace be upon him — Mirage, Mon Sep 24 00:23

This phrase is used by Muslims, Jews, and Christians. What is your point?
Radical put more than peace on him! (nm) — Kasey, Mon Sep 24 06:11

oh — Mirage, Mon Sep 24 19:45

Wordplay. You are using rhyming slang to make your point, right? Americans don't generally use rhyming slang, so we often miss it entirely. The words usually have to sound exactly alike for us to get ... more
Re: And now having just seen again the claimed... — Mirage, Sat Sep 22 22:04

One of the major controversies about Piss Christ was that it was paid for by a taxpayer funded grant. It became sort of a symbol for people of all spiritual and secular beliefs who did not want... more
Be more concerned — sai ram, Sun Sep 16 09:04

while Islamic thuggery is a concern...be more concerned about food riots coming to everyones town and neighborhood soon..........sai ram
Then which of the following two is..... — Kasey, Sat Sep 22 22:05

actually tolerable? From a stiry in Toronto titled: Heather Has Two Mommies: Heather Has Two Mommies And A Big Bearded Daddy Who Wants To Marry Her Off To Her Cousin In Pakistan. Who are we to judge? ... more
Exactly ... — Baruch, Sun Sep 23 08:38

if you aren't the ward of the girl, it is none of your business ... ordinarily. If you are not Canadian, then laws regarding mail order brides or under age brides in Canada, don't involve you (that... more
Cousin Marriage — Mirage, Sat Sep 22 22:32

Cousin marriage remained popular in the Western world longer than you might think. It was practiced for a long time in both England and America. My own family tree on my father's side, there were... more
Correct ... — Baruch, Sun Sep 23 08:42

though I think that in simpler times, prohibiting marriage of first cousins is probably a good idea ... it is a question of practical consanguinity ... maybe second cousins would be OK. Shalom
Wards — Mirage, Sun Sep 23 20:30

In Victorian times, men often married their wards. In Medieval times people sometimes married their charges. To me that is more strange because the relationship in those cases was a guardianship, and ... more
My Ex was always uncomfortable ... — Baruch, Sun Sep 23 21:05

with the part the Uncle plays in The Nutcracker ... again because of implied pedophilia. But I do think people were less concerned about this in the past ... because if one wanted children one wanted ... more
Hmm — Mirage, Sun Sep 23 22:45

I never thought there was implied pedophilia in that ballet. Isn't it supposed to be the girl's dream?
In ancient times... — Mirage, Sun Sep 23 10:49

marriage to brother or sister was common in many cultures among royalty and half-siblings not that uncommon in general. You know that enlongated head many Pharaoh's had? It was a recessive trait... more
Fortunately commoners didn't imitate ... — Baruch, Sun Sep 23 11:50

all the bad habits of the royals ;-) Shalom
Sometimes they did. — Mirage, Sun Sep 23 17:08

Villages were small back then, and often isolated.
Medieval Village Populace — Mirage, Sun Sep 23 21:35

"Village Life in the Middle Ages The peasants, including serfs, freeman and villeins, on a manor lived close together in one or more villages. Their small, thatch-roofed, and one-roomed houses would... more
Well at least in the case of the truck stop ... — Baruch, Sun Sep 23 21:47

they might kidnap, for reproductive purposed, passing tourists, to freshen the gene pool ;-) The lord of the manor was doing the same with the brides ... his genetics for example being Norman, but... more
Re: Cousin Marriage — Iftikhar Ahmad, Sun Sep 23 07:35

Consanguineous parents have a 5-6% chance of producing a child with a genetic disorder compared to unrelated parents who have a 3-4% chance... This chance does decrease if you have children with a... more
Your holy books don't give any rights to.... — Kasey, Tue Sep 25 19:25

anyone...only directives. That basically denies all human rights! Regards, Kasey
I have a question — Mirage, Mon Sep 24 01:19

I went to your site which you link and I looked at your message boards there. There are many posts which are very anti-Muslim and some posts which use hate speech. I see that your site does not... more
The risk may be lower than 5% — Mirage, Sun Sep 23 17:06

It may depend upon how one defines a genetic disorder, but the research in Australia came up with 4% and that is similar to research in the US where I live. Here 30 states have made first cousin... more
Your rhetorical position ... — Baruch, Sun Sep 23 19:58

regarding genetic risk and marriage ... as a cat's paw to negate genetic arguments against first cousin marriage, would if taken seriously, constitute the very neo-lib totalitarianism that guarantees ... more
politics — Mirage, Sun Sep 23 20:56

I am a moderate as you know. In general I would prefer if the government didn't make so many laws to protect people from themselves, especially when it comes to personal matters like love and... more
The government is more than just the White House ... — Baruch, Sun Sep 23 21:23

There were proposals, very neo-lib, that were coming out of Congress in the mid-80s ... such as forcing the literal payment at min-wage of all housewives, and the corresponding taxes as if the... more
I do agree Reagan was fairly liberal (nm) — Mirage, Sun Sep 23 21:38

Re: Your rhetorical position ... — Mirage, Sun Sep 23 20:32

Well my point was that genetics have been used to reinforce cultural preferences and the science is a red herring.
Scripture is misused in the same way (nm) — Baruch, Sun Sep 23 21:08

Unsure what you mean — Mirage, Sun Sep 23 21:42

You mean to encourage eugenics? Yes, it was used as a justification for preventing mixed race marriages. Or do you mean that scripture has been used as justification for banning cousin marriages? If... more
All tools are good, in the ideological war ... — Baruch, Sun Sep 23 21:45

authority, rationality, scripture, scientific evidence ... people use whatever jello sticks. In the beginning there was prejudice, then when prejudice is challenged, it takes up any cudgel at hand to ... more
Re: All tools are good, in the ideological war ... — Mirage, Tue Sep 25 21:17

It's a shame that in our culture it isn't acceptable to say "I just don't like it." Maybe if people were not forced to rationalize their instincts they wouldn't try to force their views on others so... more
There isn't just safety in numbers .. — Baruch, Wed Sep 26 12:46

but power in numbers .. and that power goes to people's heads, particularly if they are the group leader. If Hitler had remained the psycho leader of a small splinter group in Bavaria, how far would... more
Re: There isn't just safety in numbers .. — Mirage, Wed Sep 26 19:24

I don't feel called to anyone else's utopia but of course I do sometimes feel called to my own personal one. I suppose the problem with being able to just vote based on your instinctive preferences... more
Neo-libs protect group X ... — Baruch, Wed Sep 26 20:39

because group X falls for the good cop/bad cop routine of the two American main parties, and remains "politically useful" to the Ds. If the bad cop rhetorically says It wants to kill and eat you,... more
I'm glad — sai ram, Sun Sep 23 14:02

i'm glad a man and woman have a right to marry anybody from anywhere. Does this right extend to a Muslim woman marrying a Christian man and then becoming Christian?
Same problem here ... — Baruch, Sun Sep 23 08:54

Anglo Americans don't want Mexican immigrants to bring their families with them, for fear they will settle down here, they want guest workers only. In most traditional cultures, marriage is about a... more
My disgust is with the pre-determined marriage! (nm) — Kasey, Sun Sep 23 07:10

Arranged marriages vs. forced marriages — Mirage, Sun Sep 23 10:43

The two things are not the same. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arranged_marriage http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_marriage It would be a mistake to assume all arranged marriages are forced. They... more
Re: Arranged marriages vs. forced marriages — Iftikhar Ahmad, Mon Sep 24 06:51

British society and media is taking keen interest in the issues and problems of the British born Muslim youths. They are victims of a generation gap due to language barriers. They are receiving ultra ... more
Yoy always seem to be in a state of denial.... — Kasey, Tue Sep 25 19:16

and consider only the rights of the parents. Much of the problem for your group in Western society is the stuff that's rammed into the children's minds that isn't relevant in the 21st century. As for ... more
In traditional society ... — Baruch, Tue Sep 25 20:25

the men serve the interests of the tribe ... the women and children server the interests of the individual men. Tribalism exists even in the urban cultures of advanced countries not just in rural... more
I agree with you ... — Baruch, Sun Sep 23 08:40

though I am not disgusted. Different cultures do this differently. And while adults I think have a right to marry who they want to, they often make mistakes doing so, with or without family input.... more
The thuggery can be controlled... — Kasey, Mon Sep 17 06:12

and the perpetrators arrested later from video camera evidence. But when the stated aims are to take over and establish a caliphate world-wide under Islam, remedial strategies and awareness now are... more
Prediction is hard, particularly if involving the future ... — Baruch, Mon Sep 17 06:35

but a huge naval exercise is set to begin off Iran, in 10 days from now. British Navy and US Navy. Regardless of what happens, remember that war is always a tragedy for all parties, and is earnestly... more
I think — sai ram, Mon Sep 17 08:30

I think Israel has already told the US that if they go it alone...they will use nukes. I would if I was them. The world won't hate them much more than they already do in that part of the world. But... more
We can always dream ... — Baruch, Mon Sep 17 16:57

as far as our personal situation goes. I am not Israel, so I am not qualified to tell them what to do. I do think that war is always a bad alternative. I also think that modern Israel which initially ... more
Americans won't riot, as long as Dancing With The Stars ... — Baruch, Sun Sep 16 09:42

is on. Give us TV and beer, and we have all we need. We are a simple tribal confederation ... that also has American Idol. Shalom
And the greatest consumers of goods per head of population! (nm) — Kasey, Mon Sep 17 06:14

Yes but — sai ram, Sun Sep 16 10:24

when they take away the food stamps for 23 million people.....you will be hard pressed to get to the store to get your beer.........and when people will be forced to steal the pennies off their dead... more
You don't get it ... — Baruch, Sun Sep 16 11:08

the unemployed are being softened up. They will graduate from SNAP users to TSA officers, checking out your junk, as you and your family are processed into the FEMA camps ... where you can continue... more
Cat food? — sai ram, Sun Sep 16 12:38

well...I hope they have veggie cat food.........I put my foot down when it comes to eating meat......plus I don't plan on going to any stinking FEMA camp.....I'll get shot and killed over the gold... more
Ask the Japanese — sai ram, Sun Sep 16 09:01

Ask the japanese what they would do...or China.....you won't find this problem in Japan/China now or in the future........my thoughts is you would be letting in a big potential problem......sai ram
China/Japan have their own problems ... — Baruch, Sun Sep 16 09:39

The Chinese have Muslim Uighers in the West of China. They knock heads there, if the Uighers (Turks) get out of line. Japan has never been in the habit, aside from Koreans, of importing cheap labor.... more
I was flying from — sai ram, Sun Sep 16 10:41

I was flying from Bangalore, India to Tokyo and while waiting in line to check-in in Bangalore a young Indian girl was standing in line in front of me. She seemed very nervous and was telling me she... more
Tongue in cheek ... — Baruch, Sun Sep 16 11:05

we exploit young women or try to. My own parents in the 1950s, imported illegal maids from Mexico. Problem for foreign girls in Japan, is they most often end up in prostitution, this includes N... more
Sounds like football in the UK — Mirage, Sat Sep 15 23:38

I think the problem is hooliganism as much as anything else, and that is certainly not limited to Islamic youth. We've had "peaceful" protests here which also turned wild. It's a difficult tightrope. ... more
It's only a minority which don't respect .... — Kasey, Sun Sep 16 07:57

our police forces.....and the authorities now are claiming that the unorthorized demo was hi-jacked by fundamentalists who wanted a confrontation with police to get headline coverage to maybe gain... more
Same claim at OWS etal ... — Baruch, Sun Sep 16 08:27

all demonstrations hijacked by anarchists, therefore all demonstrations must be banned, for our own protection, and to avoid waterboarding by association. Shalom
Unfortunately people do react that way — Mirage, Sun Sep 16 10:50

I was fortunate to be young in an era when peaceful protests here really were peaceful. A lot of my friends went to anti-nuke protests and did silly things like lying on the ground pretending to be... more
Pretty much everyone in America — Mirage, Sun Sep 16 15:02

is a 1%er. Even our homeless. That's not to say there aren't things worth protesting here, because of course, there are. There are things worth protesting everywhere. I just wish we'd look in the... more
Actually the US is bankrupt ... — Baruch, Sun Sep 16 15:59

we are like Wile E Coyote ... who won't fall, until he inevitably looks down. We can't decide if we are cash accounting or accrual accounting. It may seem to many Americans that they have enough cash ... more
Re: Actually the US is bankrupt ... — Mirage, Sun Sep 16 16:31

I am comparing our standard of living to that of other people around the world. Yes, it's all based on imagination, but even our homeless can go to a soup kitchen if they are oriented enough to do... more
We are rich, because we exploit the other 95% of humanity .. — Baruch, Sun Sep 16 16:38

otherwise our GDP per capita, would be no different than rural India. Unless you want to accept Manifest Destiny or some other racism de jour. Reality is what is average over the whole planet ...... more
How do we exploit 95% of humanity... — Paradigm10, Sun Sep 16 17:03

and what does that have to do with the reversion of the mean? If I didn't have a car, I'd have a horse and buggy or maybe a mule. Then I wouldn't have nobody laying a trip on me for consuming fossil... more
Actually you wouldn't ... — Baruch, Sun Sep 16 18:33

have a horse and buggy, by ordinary people, is a modern condition. Originally as a landless sharecropping peasant ... your landlord would loan you oxen and a plow to have your husband plow the land... more
Oh, I think I understand now... — Paradigm10, Sun Sep 16 20:50

this is your vision of the future based on the past. It's kind of crappy of you to make me a landless sharecropping peasant in the past. Nice touch, having me raped on my wedding night. I might have... more
Quoting Dr Evil himself ... — Baruch, Thu Sep 20 20:38

“Who controls the food supply controls the people; who controls the energy can control whole continents; who controls money can control the world.” —Henry Kissinger Quote from... more
Here is what it is like ... — Baruch, Sun Sep 16 18:37

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gvRYHUxrhQ All the wife-swap videos of hilarious, if you have a European sense of humor. Shalom
Americans have a sense of humor too... — Paradigm10, Sun Sep 16 21:24

because people do watch that reality TV show where the wives swap families for a week.
Yes, exactly. — Mirage, Sun Sep 16 16:46

We eat because we help them starve. That's why I say we are all 1%ers here.
How is it that we help them starve? — Paradigm10, Sun Sep 16 17:15

Would it help if we didn't eat? Didn't eat as much? I guess our generosity as a nation is canceled out by our own ravenous appetites? What should each individual do to prevent "them" as a collective... more
Economic disparity — Mirage, Tue Sep 18 01:22

The economic disparity and the environmental damage caused by big business, not just ours, but also Europe and Asia causes a great deal of starvation. I will give you one recent example. Right now... more
So it is Monsanto and the producers of biofuel... — Paradigm10, Tue Sep 18 21:39

who are the who behind the collective "we" who are starving "them". I've heard about the evil Monsanto for years on late night radio and I'm aware of the various criticism's concerning the production ... more
Re: So it is Monsanto and the producers of biofuel... — Mirage, Wed Sep 19 03:46

Yes, some people are trying to resist and oppose. Obviously I am not saying everyone in the US is part of this problem but I cannot ignore that our country as a whole has not prevented this and that... more
It's not obvious when you use phrases... — Paradigm10, Thu Sep 20 08:54

such as "our country as a whole" that you do not loathe your fellow Americans as much as you loathe yourself. You are not part of a problem except in your own mind. We all have to eat. Just be... more
Re: It's not obvious when you use phrases... — Mirage, Thu Sep 20 16:22

I said some staple crops, not all crops. Sometimes before I make a post, I do a few hours of research, often using a screen reader because my eyes are a mess. Screen readers are not good with... more
You need to relax a little... — Paradigm10, Thu Sep 20 17:36

I'm not upset and I'm not questioning your patriotism. I just think that you probably have enough to worry about without any extra burdens on your conscience. I do have a pet peeve about overly... more
Say whatever you need to. — Mirage, Thu Sep 20 20:36

I just worried I was upsetting you and I was afraid you might leave again if I kept annoying you. I try really hard not to stress or upset people but I am not being self loathing by saying that I do... more
He still posts elsewhere ... — Baruch, Thu Sep 20 20:41

where he can push his agenda, his agenda isn't mine ... I have no agenda. He seems to think that only fundie Christians are a problem ... like Kasey thinks that only fundie Muslims are a problem.... more
Re: He still posts elsewhere ... — Mirage, Thu Sep 20 21:25
Vike - now something really Jewish ;-) — Baruch, Sat Sep 22 12:49

http://www.jewishreviewofbooks.com/publications/detail/spinoza-in-shtreimels-an-underground-seminar Shalom
Wow — Mirage, Sat Sep 22 21:36

Now I am homesick for L.A. :) Gosh I miss all that. I wonder if the author might be willing to drop by here and visit? I saw some other articles there I can't wait to read(hear).
Some Jews can be fascinating ... — Baruch, Sat Sep 22 21:42

particularly rebel Jews ... in this case rebel Hasids. You get a stereotype, that breaks the stereotype, in the way a pious Hasid wouldn't. Shalom
Re: Some Jews can be fascinating ... — Mirage, Sat Sep 22 22:11

I encountered some pious Hasids at the Torah study group. I was also around when the Chabad movement really took off in L.A. They were very welcoming to me, the girl with the cross, and to my... more
Probably it is history ... — Baruch, Sun Sep 23 08:47

most Jewish communities might have been quite small in Europe, sometimes a Jew might be the only one it town, because he was a traveling merchant. So by necessity, one would have to be... more
This or other small forums ... — Baruch, Thu Sep 20 17:17

are like intimate cocktail parties or family gatherings (yes, we don't get along with all our family members either). Facebook etal is like trying to have a conversation in the middle of Tien An Men... more
I lost some words there when correcting — Mirage, Thu Sep 20 16:28

"I just get very upset when I feel that when I vote I vote for individual candidates" should read like so: I just get very upset when I feel that poor people are being exploited or harmed. When I... more
I don't like parties on principle either ... — Baruch, Thu Sep 20 17:18

particularly the incumbent party (who may be D or R)! If they actually stood for something, I might feel differently, but they don't stand for anything worth supporting. Shalom
Recent study of poisonous GM products ... — Baruch, Thu Sep 20 13:00

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012/09/new-study-finds-severe-toxic-effects-of-pervasively-used-monsanto-herbicide-roundup-and-roundup-ready-gmo-corn.html It is a hard decision, to overrule G-d's... more
Is there a new bill? — Mirage, Thu Sep 20 17:08

http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/organic.asp There has been a lot of misinformation about the old ones. I don't think Michelle Obama would let her husband sign anything banning home gardens.... more
I think it would be awesome... — Paradigm10, Thu Sep 20 18:11

if some of the properties that FEMA is buying out in flood plains were turned into community garden co-ops. In fact I was just saying that to my husband the other day when the evening news was... more
That would be so great. — Mirage, Thu Sep 20 19:38

A couple days ago my sister and I were reminiscing about my mom's gardening projects and I said I kinda wish large apartment complexes with say 100 or more units had to have a community garden. I... more
You could try growing sprouts... — Paradigm10, Thu Sep 20 22:01

You don't even need soil for that. I've heard that Californians eat sprouts. :) http://www.sproutnet.com/Press/sprouts_for_optimum_nutrition.htm
Oooh good idea! — Mirage, Thu Sep 20 22:28

I grew alfalfa and mung bean sprouts as a kid a few times. Won't say either is a favorite food but stir frying helps. I saw on that link some sprout possibilities that sound like I might really like... more
I've always loved to grow things... — Paradigm10, Fri Sep 21 18:08

Even when I had an apartment, it was filled with plants and wildlife.
Re: I've always loved to grow things... — Mirage, Sat Sep 22 01:18

Anywhere I live ends up looking like a library ran amok and crashed into an archeological dig site. Yeah I am one of those vintage store/import store people. Pets love that stuff and if the cat... more
I gave up on orderliness a while back... — Paradigm10, Sat Sep 22 10:00

although my husband really deserves an award for being a childproofing genius. I'll be busy the next week or so even though I'm on vacation. There's a lot to do before winter sets in but this is my... more
Thanks, have a good Fall (nm) — Baruch, Sat Sep 22 10:27

I have too many books too ... — Baruch, Sat Sep 22 07:30

but my cats haven't been as civilized with my furniture ;-( Love them anyway. Myself and my Ex have had to give up 7 cats because of instability during the time we were together (the last being the 4 ... more
Watch out for bugs ... — Baruch, Fri Sep 21 00:01

Roundup? We tried doing mung beans once, and all we got were bugs playing lumberjack with our sprouts. Shalom
The Obamas aren't Monsanto people ... — Baruch, Thu Sep 20 17:55

they seem to work for J P Morgan/Chase and Goldman-Sacks instead ;-) It is part meme it would seem ... but given the fear that bio-terror prevention will be used as just another level arm of tyranny, ... more
When people get sick... — Paradigm10, Thu Sep 20 19:12

from listeria and e coli people complain that the government isn't doing enough to protect the public from foodborne illnesses. Just saying...
Exactly ... — Baruch, Thu Sep 20 21:11

caveat emptor I say, let all the stupid consumers die, and then we don't have to worry about the problems caused by a consumer society. Just millionaires, making everything, because only millionaires ... more
That's particularly caustic commentary... — Paradigm10, Thu Sep 20 22:13

have you been drinking roundup?
Probably there are industrial chemicals ... — Baruch, Fri Sep 21 00:06

on everything I eat and drink, but I don't think it is a vast conspiracy, just the negative consequences of modernity. The start of the previous comment was rhetorical of course, directed at no one... more
I'd like a third party. (nm) — Paradigm10, Fri Sep 21 18:09

Re: When people get sick... — Mirage, Thu Sep 20 20:14

I've gotten sick from food in restaurants and food from Safeway, but thinking back I have never once gotten sick from anything I got at the farmer's market when I used to be able to go. Maybe I am... more
What about the present attempt by the US government... — Paradigm10, Thu Sep 20 16:54

to ban all home gardens by law? I'd really like to see the actual facts about government banning home gardens if you have them. On the face of it, it sounds preposterous. Why Michelle Obama herself... more
I liked all you wrote ... — Baruch, Thu Sep 20 17:48

wisdom of grandparents etc is priceless, particularly off the farm, because city folks are just a plague on the Earth (see Cross of Gold speech in Wiki). Except for one sentence: "They adapted to the ... more
Re: I liked all you wrote ... — Mirage, Thu Sep 20 21:21

The Creationist Museum is sort of interesting in that they are more moderate than many New Earthers I have seen on the internet.They believe dinosaurs existed, for example, while some others say... more
No, Creationism isn't an R vs D issue ... — Baruch, Fri Sep 21 00:21

it is a major faction in the R camp, and not in the D camp, who support fundie Christianity. The Ds use Christian repellant regularly. And cynically the Rs could as a coalition, agree to promote it.... more
Here we go, data! — Mirage, Fri Sep 21 01:39

http://www.christianpost.com/news/how-does-the-faith-of-republicans-democrats-measure-up-26175/ Mind you, this is from 2007 but I doubt it has changed all that much. Read the whole article. Barna is... more
That is a different perspective than I meant ... — Baruch, Fri Sep 21 22:46

most Christians are not Young Earth Creationists. Yes, I think G-d can be just and merciful. But we are both panentheists. That means, to me, that G-d is also unjust and unmerciful. It is up to... more
City folks are not a plague... — Paradigm10, Thu Sep 20 18:58

why pit one group of people against another. My grandmother took a job in the city, my Grandfather sometimes worked in a saw mill that supplied lumber to the city downstream. I know you wouldn't... more
If I cared about share prices ... — Baruch, Thu Sep 20 20:59

then I might quote Forbes or some other organ of the 1%. Stocks and bonds are entirely fraudulent, and always have been. Strictly "bigger fool" territory. If you want to lend money to a company, do... more
No I didn't read the Cross of Gold speech... — Paradigm10, Thu Sep 20 21:52

I had to go help the kids with their homework. I did read about it the last time you provided a link to it. I remember it had something to do with silver. What? I can't say nanny state without being... more
Why do you hate your liver? — Baruch, Fri Sep 21 00:10

That is where foreign molecules go to die. As a woman plant estrogen from the soy will have less effect on you than me, might even help you bear more children after you turn 50 ... oh joy! The take... more
I'm not a hater. — Paradigm10, Fri Sep 21 18:05

Why be so gloomy, my liver's fine. I drank soy milk every day when I was pregnant. It was one of those things that I craved and it was fortified with Omega 3's along with the GM soybeans. My... more
Great question! — Baruch, Fri Sep 21 22:39

"Why let these things take away your joy?" Personality ... idealism vs realism. Idealists can look at beautiful things, and ignore ugly things. Realists look at both, but are often burdened by the... more
Were you a collicky baby? — Paradigm10, Sat Sep 22 09:50

Some babies are afraid to walk because they keep falling down. Sometimes people are paralyzed by their fear of failure but I hear what you're saying. We wouldn't want our bridges to fall down. How... more
Oh, a classic song! — Baruch, Sat Sep 22 10:39

Well I wasn't afraid as a child (example, not acrophobic). When I was a teen I could do roofing for example. But by the time I was a young adult, after a few panic attacks, I am much more brittle. I... more
I wonder what would happen. — Mirage, Sat Sep 22 00:07

Maybe people could try to stop being ists and avoid falling into isms and see where they end up when they embrace inconsistency. I usually just expect things to go wrong, but then a lot of the time... more
While I am also a classicist ... — Baruch, Sat Sep 22 07:41

that is something on a different dimension than realist. A realist would be a photographer not a painter for example. I agree that consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, it is simply very... more
Right — Mirage, Sat Sep 22 09:11

I can sort of take on all the things in the song, but I never really belong anywhere entirely and I don't know if that is good or bad. The first time I heard that song it really hit home, because I... more
So you are one of Degas' Dalis? (nm) — Baruch, Sat Sep 22 10:29

Re: City folks are not a plague... — Mirage, Thu Sep 20 20:28

Forbes does seem to fact check and they do seem to understand the concept of scientific method over there. Sure, they have a bias. Most major publications do, but in terms of researching their... more
I am no doctor ... — Baruch, Thu Sep 20 21:05

and maryjane is probably a drug to be prescribed, and less dangerous than many other prescription drugs. The Rs are against it, because one puff, and you become a Vietcong loving hippie Democrat. The ... more
Re: I am no doctor ... — Mirage, Thu Sep 20 21:45

There is a study that links it to later cognitive decline but it's really too early to know if that is true. Needs more replication and elimination of potential confounds I think. Smoking anything... more
Later cognitive decline ... — Baruch, Thu Sep 20 21:53

wouldn't matter to a 60 year old with glaucoma. The medical community is corrupt too, otherwise this would be just another molecule in their formulary ... but they are just an extension of politics,... more
Would you miss this? — Mirage, Thu Sep 20 23:09

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_the_Beautiful Did you ever read the original poem? Am I just a sap and if I am, should I be ashamed of it? That song used to annoy me when I was a teen. Now when... more
My bliss is independent service ... — Baruch, Thu Sep 20 23:59

there is a whole world where good deeds can be done, if people give you the privilege of serving their needs. It is nicer if you can serve in a way that is especially yours rather than just cannon... more
Re: My bliss is independent service ... — Mirage, Fri Sep 21 00:50

I think I understand. My own heart is sort of a pile of broken glass for various reasons but it's still beating for now and I hope things will get better eventually. To me the song is both religious... more
You do better than I ... — Baruch, Wed Sep 19 17:09

BTW - eco-kosher is the Jewish term for ethical production and consumption of food. Shalom
Re: You do better than I ... — Mirage, Wed Sep 19 23:13

I've seen some kosher food here which also bears organic labels. Not much but some. How do you feel about the Magen Tzedek movement? It's very political. Do you think having one more certification is ... more
Eating meat consumes a disproportionate amount of resources (nm) — Baruch, Sun Sep 16 18:44

So I wouldn't be starving anyone if I didn't eat meat? — Paradigm10, Sun Sep 16 21:14

My mother's cattle are grass fed and the chickens are free ranch. We should skip the cattle and the chicken entirely and eat grass and grubs like other people. Fish doesn't count as meat does it?... more
Carbon footprint is part ... — Baruch, Sun Sep 16 22:51

the other is the BTU (energy) imprint. Wealth is expressed thru conspicuous consumption ... one can see this most easily with the amount of trash and uneaten food each American family produces each... more
Are you giving me this lecture because you're a vegetarian? — Paradigm10, Mon Sep 17 19:38

My daughter doesn't like red meat because she's squeamish. There are people who don't eat red meat because of health concerns and there are people who don't eat it for idealistic and political... more
Consciousness raising only ... — Baruch, Mon Sep 17 20:52

not proselytization. I eat meat myself. But I do it with the knowledge that I can do so, mostly because of the sins of the world, not because of the virtues of the world ... including such sins and... more
If I'm in the Matrix... — Paradigm10, Tue Sep 18 21:25

Than I want to ride shotgun with Keanu Reeves.
Since it is Speak Like A Pirate Day ... — Baruch, Wed Sep 19 17:15

thanks to our dysfunctional Congress, you should prefer Johnny Depp ;-) Shalom
@#$&!! Baruch! — Paradigm10, Thu Sep 20 07:45

Don't tell me who I should prefer. Pirates are unattractive and even when Johnny Depp plays one, he looks like he smells bad. Aaargh!
Re: Since it is Speak Like A Pirate Day ... — Mirage, Wed Sep 19 19:53

Depp has never been part of the Matrix. :) I think he probably took the chartreuse pill as a baby.
Yum (nm) — Mirage, Wed Sep 19 03:47

Truth is ... — Baruch, Sun Sep 16 16:59

all of humanity is 1%, compared to animals and plants. So yes, let's not divide but unite. But unite under which standard ... the black flag of Salafist Islam? Since they condemn usury, they are... more
We should have some kind of a jubilee year... — Paradigm10, Sun Sep 16 17:20

forgive every one their debts. Some people wouldn't be as rich but how bad could it be?
Beautiful idea (nm) — Mirage, Tue Sep 18 01:30

Correct, but we will have genocide before that happens ;-( — Baruch, Sun Sep 16 18:35

Not even Christians believe in real Christianity, let alone non-Christians. We spiritualize it into meaninglessness. Shalom
Try not to sound so optimistic. — Paradigm10, Sun Sep 16 20:56

This is my favorite Rolling Stones song, I believe it's true. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_fMd6q0JUQ
Thanks for the time trip ;-) — Baruch, Sun Sep 16 21:03

Well, addicts (to money) could realize that they are addicts, and go to GA (that is AA for gold nuts). Shalom
Wait until they catch OWS ... — Baruch, Sun Sep 16 11:12

trying to take Beluga caviar out of the mouths of babes! Death will be too good for the peasants!! Shalom
and why I think it could work — Mirage, Sun Sep 16 01:52

I believe that violent criminals, rabble-rousers and hooligans have very poor self-control most of the time. I don't think there would be many who could wait the 5 years before breaking the law in... more
Since this is such a worldwide popular activity ... — Baruch, Sat Sep 15 22:58

does it occur to you that it might be orchestrated? Maybe it isn't, maybe it is. Who would orchestrate such a thing? Saudi Arabia, or the US, or Great Britain, or even Israel. If it is spontaneous,... more
Support for iM/C was orchestrated by the Labor party — Kasey, Sun Sep 16 08:04

in some states to engender votes for it in a few key electorates to hold on to power in NSW and Victoria.[[plus a few terminated deportations to avoid offence in those electorates] It has backfired... more
See, everything is political, not religious (nm) — Baruch, Sun Sep 16 08:26

Even an 8 year old child is induced.... — Kasey, Sun Sep 16 19:13

to participate in activities promoting political/religious ideology. At a congress of Islamic fundamentalists staged in Sydney [Sunday] after the violent demonstration and riots there, this child... more
Clearly child abuse ... — Baruch, Sun Sep 16 21:05

exposing anyone to politics before 80 ;-) Aren't traditional societies a blast? Well they are if they are RPGs around. Shalom
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