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Are you talking about Messianic Jews/Judaizing Christians?
Sun Aug 26, 2018 03:54

Both groups exist/existed. Modern Messianic Jews date from about 1965 (Matthew 5:17-20 is not interpreted as replacement theology). Judaizing Christians existed from the 2nd century CE (G of Matthew in general). The movement to oppose Marcion of Sinope (120 CE), who specifically was anti-Jewish in his choice of scripture (carefully edited by him) is the beginning of the orthodoxy of including the OT along with the NT as official interpretation. A similar movement among rabbinic Jews used the Oral Torah as the interpretation for the Written Torah.

However what we currently have of Paul's writings clearly states that Torah observance is not required of a Christian. This was in the context of Paul recruiting Gentile associate members of the synagogues into his group.

Comparative religious beliefs is a fascinating study. My own view is that "born again" is taken from Vedic Hinduism, not Buddhism, though at that time, the two were not as distinct as they are now. In Vedic Hinduism, a male of the Brahmin class, is provided with a second birth metaphorically. Both Hinduism and Buddhism have reincarnation theology, but those are many births, not just two. Also Paul speaks of the "second death" ... not many deaths.


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                    I love languages and histories. I teach Hebrew to adults. Shalom
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